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Yzerman is signed for 3 more years. Bowman is going no where, he's living out his golden years, winning cups with his son... Stanley, whom he named the same year he won his first Cup. Unless Holland is moved to make room for Yzerman in 3 years, I doubt anything will change.

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I never said it was a successful move on their part. My point is that it was time for a change, under his leadership everything stagnated and they felt a new direction and leadership was needed (that and he was an incredibly difficult ******* to work with and for etc etc we all know the story). But they actually did something and changed the top, Illitch can do the same thing. And if it doesn't work, just do what Apple did and bring Holland back, or dig up Steve Jobs and prop him up in the front office as GM, at this point the results will be the same.

Bingo.

So because we lost by a small margin that makes the Red Wings a better team then the Lightening? The Yzerman team has gone to the Conference Finals twice and Stanley Cup Finals once since he left, Wings can't even make it out of the first round. Tampa not only beat the Wings, but they beat other teams that were much better then the Wings to make it so deep in the playoffs. I don't understand your logic, Tampa was the 2nd best team last year, 2nd in scoring and look how deep in the playoffs they are. What exactly are you using to measure success of the Red Wings vs. our peers? How do you figure Red Wings are a better team when we barely made the playoffs this year (we only made it because other teams lost so much). Someone showed the stat yesterday that any coach behind the bench more then 5 years has not won the Cup, so I wonder how that translates to the GM? It's just time, even Steve Jobs got fired from Apple, the company he founded, because things weren't working and they needed a new direction, so the board let him go. Change is good.

Several points that tie into each other: -Someone else sees the Bowman effect and it cannot be understated! Except for Buffalo, who no one can help, the Stanley Cup follows Bowman and I don't think it's coincidence in Chicago either. 14 Cups in one capacity or another plus another 4 Finals appearances where he didn't win, that's 19 Finals appearances since he started in 1967. If Scotty Bowman is the janitor in your building, that makes you an immediate Cup contender. -The decline really picked up when Brian Rafalski left 2 years after Bowman, if you look at the standings and defense numbers. Not filling it with a proper partner for Lidstrom and getting a top pair Dmen to replace Lids/Rafalski has been a huge problem that everyone knows about and I don't need to rehash it here. -Ken Holland needs to go. He doesn't know why free agents won't come to Detroit, he keeps saying there is no one to land on the free market yet all of our competitors have no problems landing free agents (Tampa, Minnesota...). I think the Illitches need to look hard at moving Kenny, he is unable to keep up with the modern trends and it shows. Yzerman went to Tampa and has not been afraid to trade core players, and he signed key defensmen, and has turned the team completely around, he looks like a friggin' genius with what he's done the last few years (trading for Bishop, signing Flip, trading St. Louis, buying out Vinnie, signing Hedman, Stralman, signing super huge goalies and defense, that's not coincidence that whole back end is over 6'5", etc. etc. etc.). Other GMs also have no problems trading and signing, it's time for a regime change, the era of Holland is not working anymore.

I'd give this it's own thread TBH.

Some people just deserve it, so it's ok.

Front page Fox news: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/06/07/tampa-bay-lightning-avoids-penalty-box-lets-army-captain-resell-stanley-cup/ They backtracked and gave his tickets back, but only because this blew up in their face. Read the article.

The more I think about this, I've concluded that unless he wins any Cups, he'll go down as one of the biggest chokers of all time. There comes a point where one could care less what he's done in the regular season when he doesn't really choke in the playoffs, he gags, all over the game 7's. Out of 9 game 7 appearances, only winning 3, never going past the 2nd round. He's also a coach killer, his 5th one in his illustrious 10 year career. Unless your name is Pavel Datsyuk, no Russian player that captains their team will win a Stanley Cup. There, I said it.

I believe they spoke with Mike Babcock, I'm not sure how that went tho...

...and in today's shocking news, the Detroit Red Wings have hired John Tortorella as the new coach. Jeff Blashill, who was expected to become the new head coach of the Wings, was actually demoted to the Toledo Walleye. Said legendary GM, Ken Holland of the situation, "we felt that coaching in the NHL is a man's job, and Jeff although close is not ready yet to take his place among men." Further saying of the youthful, 40 year old Blashill, "he needs to spend a bit more time working things out before we bring him up. John Tortorella on the other hand is a proven winner, and will bring a fresh new message that I'm confident the team will respond positively to." In other news, Daniel Cleary was made head coach of the Grand Rapid Griffins... It could go something like that.

I'm on the fence about this one, I respect their push to protect and promote their brand in a market that has so many transplants from everywhere else in the country, I'll give two examples why: 1. When Toronto plays at Detroit 2. Game 7 between Ducks / Hawks In example one, when Toronto plays at Detroit, half the crowd are Leafs fans, you hear their chants, sometimes over Wings fans, and when Leafs score half the crowd erupts. As a Wings fan, that sucks seeing your own building taken over like that. In example two, when the Hawks scored the first goal, I thought all the Hawks fans there were going to bring the place down. For a second I thought they were playing in Chicago it was that loud. Watching the game, I think all the Hawks fans got into the heads of the Ducks players, talk of the fans being the extra man on the ice I think played a big role that no one discusses.

Will like to see what happens when Blashill comes up. Jurco's production dropped badly, yet he was on the top line for his country during the Olympics. That says a lot about his talent. Players like Tats, Jurco and Weiss will see a production bump under the new coach, their confidence has been blasted under Babs and fresh start will do everyone some good. I say let's wait until Blash gets in and we see how the everyone responds. I know the combine is close upon us, so I also wouldn't mind some trades if they make sense. Either way I've got my popcorn ready...

And Larry Aurie...

We need to go deeper, there were other grand master prolific scorers, this guy always amazed me: Joe Malone - 1.13 GPG for NHL, 1.45 GPG NHA "was the NHL's first scoring leader, registering 44 goals in 20 games, a record total that would stand as the NHL's single season goal scoring mark until 1945 and a record per-game average that stands to this day. (If such an average was sustained over today's 82-game schedule, it would result in 180 goals, nearly double Wayne Gretzky's record of 92.) Malone scored at least one goal (and a total of 35 goals) in his first 14 NHL games to set the record for the longest goal-scoring streak to begin an NHL career. This streak still stands as the second-longest goal-scoring streak in NHL history." and "went on to humiliate Sydney, Nova Scotia, in the Stanley Cup finals, with Malone scoring a stunning nine goals in the first match on March 8, 1913." and "Malone totaled 343 goals in 273 regular-season contests between 1909 and 1924. He scored five or more goals in a single game 10 times in his career." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Malone_%28ice_hockey%29 http://www.legendsofhockey.net/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMember.jsp?mem=p195006&type=Player&page=bio&list= Honorable Mentions: - ZIggy Palfy: 329 goals / 624 games - .52GPG - Nels Stewart: 324 / 650 games - .49 - MIKE f***IGN BOSSY: 573 GOALS / 752 GAMES - .76 GPG If you've read this far, congrats, here's the last link for more hockey stat porn: http://www.hockey-reference.com/leaders/goals_per_game_progress.html

Surely you jest sir. Do you mean the same Marcel Dionne who finished 6th all time in scoring and 4th all time in goals? Maybe you're confused with Marc Andre Dionne who hasn't played in the NHL yet but will most likely finish behind Ovechkant in his career.

I know he's a rookie broadcaster, and he has said there's more learning and work to do. I think he's a great guy, always enjoyed his work on the ice, but find myself lately tuning into the opposing team's broadcast (I have NHL Center Ice). Everything is either good, very good, or very, very good. A player is playing well, very well, or very, very well. very, Very...very, very He needs to vary up his use of very. I would recommend he takes another broadcasting class to learn synonyms and different ways of expressing oneself other than to use the word very, all, the...time...

In light of yesterday's shennanigans, this would be a prime example of utilizing the coach's challenge. The NHL is very open to the challenge but not close to implementing it, maybe next season. Last year the Wings had a doozy against LA where the puck clearly went into the netting and the refs missed it, with the puck bouncing off the LA goaltenders back and into the net. Karma... This article is from a few months back but gives insight into their thought process. http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/video-review-coach-s-challenge-dominate-nhl-gm-s-meeting-1.2672726 I've been very open to having one video challenge per game, yesterday solidified that.

I'm not going to continue egging this on, but I've now had several posts deleted and one thread locked and I know I was not being offensive to anyone, or rude, or anything like that (well, except the one, ok so one out of several). So if those are the kinds of threads that will get blocked or banned or whatever, well, I can only speak for myself then and say it's shame. Mods feel they have a job to do, I won't make it any harder for them. I just won't continue to post. Thanks for clarifying your positions.

I agree it's so lame for them to delete harmless posts and then lock the thread. Mods go a little too far "policing", it's not necessary, it takes so much away from this forum because it continually happens. Just because a mod doesn't share the same sense of humor or even opinions doesn't mean everyone else feels the same. And if a mod doesn't agree with a post they shouldn't engage in scrubbing the history like it's Soviet Russia then locking and threatening to ban everyone. It's not like people are posting kiddie porn here...

Sometime there just needs to be an option to let the OP know how you really feel...

There was plenty of evidence, the video was very clear, Getzlafs stick was on Kronwalls hands (not his stick). That's a penalty '99 out of 100 times' as Mickey stated. Regardless of the fact that Kronwall tripped himself a bit, but when you take out the hands which is illegal, that has to be a penalty, and work the hands of a player like that it alters their balance (which could have been a factor in Kronwall tripping). Watch the video again. http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24749043/video-getzlaf-ducks-beat-red-wings-on-pretty-controversial-late-goal Does anyone remember this crazy goal from Kronwall? http://redwings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=701298 p.s. I give up trying to embed videos on this website...

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2014/10/red_wings_assign_defenseman_xa.html Here is the Red Wings' 23-man roster: Forwards: Justin Abdelkader, Joakim Andersson, Daniel Cleary, Johan Franzen, Luke Glendening, Darren Helm, Tomas Jurco, Drew Miller, Andrej Nestrasil, Gustav Nyquist, Riley Sheahan, Tomas Tatar, Stephen Weiss, Henrik Zetterberg. Defensemen: Danny DeKeyser, Jonathan Ericsson, Jakub Kindl, Niklas Kronwall, Brian Lashoff, Kyle Quincey, Brendan Smith. Goaltenders: Jonas Gustavsson, Jimmy Howard. Injured reserve: Pavel Datsyuk (short-term). "The best players will play..." - Mike Babcock

Good comparison regarding Meat Drapes on the 4th line. The Wings do such a terrible disservice to their top line having a 'piano puller' on the top line. Compare any other high caliber team and I cannot find a 3rd/4th liner playing on the top line. To compare, go here: http://www2.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/ I hope to be proven wrong and he breaks out this year but that's just a dream.