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Good article, gives us hope to see more of Z and not diminished to a 3rd line roll as some purport him to be

well this took a wrong turn somewhere, I understood the convo heading towards who cares about D when you have a killer offense that has the puck on the other end so there's no need to worry. I know we like our team but I believe is way more important to have a solid D, hence my first and subsequent comments trying to explain my point. (which wasn't Murray at all, that was collateral damage). And that's the problem I've seen with our team lately, a surplus of offensive players and lacking where I think our main concern should be. But I guess we have to work with what we've got. I just refuse to believe altering that 4th line like that will make up for pur lack of D Once again, Sorry, I'll be more careful with my phrasing, when posting so there's no need for latter pm's explaining privately what was said publicly. It's better to avoid saying inappropriate things at all.

I'm not offended by this, just found it funny how you respond to only bits and pieces here and there. I know my argument might be flawed, and as I've said before I'm not that savvy ont he sport and stat, just tried to explained better my point. Anyways Sorry if I attacked or offended you.

yeah and championships are not one single game, or a few games of a series, for Pitssburgh their playoff run started after the trade deadline, Love how you avoid my other points, usual kick, when you're right you're right and when not..., wait what are we talking about?

to all that contradict my post, yeah, I know it's cliche as hell, just look at the past Stanley Cup Champions the higher ranked deffensive team has won the stanley cup LAK vs NJD (29th O, 1st D vs 15th O, 8thD) CHI vs BOS (2nd O, 1st D vs 13th O, 3rdD) LAK vs NYR (26th O, 1st D vs 18th O, 4thD) CHI vs TBL (17thO,2nd D vs 1st O, 12thD)

interesting, leaving Murray out of the picture... all I'm saying is I remember, in some games, watching SJ putting a lot of pressure on Pit trying to come back and tie a game and being shut down, even when they did score and tied it, and one would think things would get more interesting, minutes later Pit would ante it up and score what would end up being the gwg. that last game of the series was pretty obvious, SJ had the puck for a good portion of the end of the game but couldn't even enter the O-zone with puck possession and PIt would just clear the zone, SJ would regroup on their end and try again hitting that wall. I know that in order to do this you can't be chasing the puck and be ahead in the scoreboard (Offense). Pit was better in faceoffs and shutdown the 3rd PP in the league whilst having the 5th best PK unit. Ok so this is how they ranked in the season Pit vs SJ 4th overall 11th 3rd O 4th they're pretty even here both good and solid offense. mind you SJ (9.11) had a better shoot% than Pit (7.2) 6th D 10th Both aren't top 5 D but Pit had a clear advantage 16th PP 3rd wait SJ is ranked way higher in pure offense stat 5th PK 21st and where D matters most you can see it clearly lopsided and I agree with Kip about the HBK line, I konw you say it was mostly Crosby (and Kessel) but that 3rd line took away a lot of games before the finals. if you take a look at the playoffs leaders Kessel lead with 10 G 22 pts and +5, Bonino 14 A and Murray with a 2.08GAA. meanwhile Sid had 6 G 19 pts and -2. I still don't get how he took the Conn Smythe from under Kessel, yet... I don't know how these things work So I'm not saying D solely win championships but when it comes down to it, man, it sure does help. just take a look at LAK vs NYR and Chicago vs Tampa 1st D vs 1st O... remind me kick, who almost swept that series 4-1? and if anyone thinks that AA Mantha Jurco, heck, even Helm or Z would make up for what we're lacking with E and how bleak our D looks then they're out of their minds.

offense wins games defense wins championships

do you remember the first half of the season when he'd be juggling and mixing up the lines like crazy? hopefully the new staff surrounding him will help to make better adjustments and line combos

Larkin on the third line whilst Tatar and Nyq on the 1st and 2nd respectiely? sorry Charlie, no sale

Today's his birthday

Dammit Kick! ...you just exposed my colour blindness

Also, Kick, there's no ambiguity when I say white, blue and red and then post a pic of Pasha with the Russian hockey team. there's little room for misinterpretation.

of course they do, Kindl not much though

sorry Kick, forgot about your dyslexia, should have gone with this instead

I have carte blanche and will always cheer for Pasha and the White, Blue and Red, internationally, that is

Oh Captain, My Captain!

well, what did you expect? she has no soul...

no trade yet but I read that in an interview, Doug Armstrong, told the press Shattenkirk is a Blues and there's no intent on changing that, and they compared it to how Bergevin said pretty much the same thing about PK and a few days later he was traded for Weber

Swe vs Can U20 It's a goal fest 4-1 in the 1st period

I didn't know that was expected from Jurco, from what I've seen in his demo reel highlights I saw him more of a play maker. and about Mantha I wasa just recalling from what I saw him do the few games he played last season. I'll pay more attention this upcoming season

as I see it, Helm, AA and Jurco have similar styles, so what good is it to overflow one line with the same type of player? I see Mantha as more of a net presence player that could bug the goalie and bank in a few deflections.

....supposedly

I'd rather move Jurco and put Mantha along AA and Helm, add some muscle to that speedy 3rd line