Neomaxizoomdweebie

He fell in Hollands lap.

Government handouts. Pretty soon California will only be inhabited by those in the tv and movie industry, retired state and local employees on bankrupt pensions, and illegal immigrants collecting social benefits.

I mean, if ur gonna dig for gold, a gardening tool might be helpful. Maybe the other guy was double-barrelling?

Washington, Oregon, Utah, Nevada, and Arizona, and Idaho are all in the top 8 states for population growth. I wonder where all those people are coming from? Tax and spend ur way out of that California!

When did Yzerman trade with the Blues? Why give up assets to trade for Jacob? Why dont we just promote TJ from ticket sales to roster defenseman? Problem solved.

I remember the days when we would acquire a Leafs D man at the TDL for peanuts. Good times.

Broberg sounds likes a Swedish surfer. Like a Jeff Spicoli / Thor love child.

This would be reasonable move.

1. Daley or no Daley, I still start Cholowski in GR. My point is that buying out Daley is pointless if Cholowski is in GR. 2. If ur giving up a late pick to buyout a player unnecessarily, that's a waste. 3. There's a difference between needlessly buying out a player and needlessly adding a player. 4. Apples and Oranges. MSL had a falling out with Yzerman and wanted off the team. Yzerman traded him. Lecavalier was a 33 yo with 7 years and 45 mil left on his contract. It was an albatross that HAD to be rid of. It was handcuffing the team. Neither of those moves were "ruthless" and are not even close to comparable to Daley.

No. Holland is an upgrade.

Which is why I question the rumbling from Oil fans over the Holland signing. Cant do any worse and will be the best GM they've had in at least a decade.

He'll be up full time at some point and Daley will be gone. Its inevitable that Cholowski will get Daley's spot on the roster. Just a matter of when.

Jensen was a 7th D/3rd pair guy for most of his time in Detroit. If I needed to make a roster spot available for Chilowski at the start of last season, I would have waived or traded Witkowski first, Jensen 2nd. Daley's decline last season and Jensen's rise are the benefit of having hindsight. At the time noone could have known what kind of season either of them was going to have. I have already said what I would do this season. Its not about having some sort of man crush on Daley, its about what I honestly think is best for the team. Neo's plan: 1. Cholowski gets top pair minutes in GR instead of sheltered minutes in Detroit for the first 2/3 of the season, then a full time roster spot after the TDL. How is this bad? 2. We get something (even if its a lowly late round pick) for Daley instead of nothing. Sound good? 3. Daley, a veteran NHL defenseman who has his name on the friggin Stanley Cup, gets to save face. Too Holland for you? 4. Yzerman gets to look like a good guy, not needlessly casting off a respected member of the NHLPA. Earns more respect from other players and potential UFAs in the process. Not treating players like inventory or numbers on a spread sheet. Helps with future player negotiations. Nothing I have proposed is in any way damaging to the outcome of any player or the team as a whole. What u r proposing doesnt do anything to help the team in the long run and may actually do more harm than good IMO. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

If the Wings traded the 6th overall pick to WPG and Byram was gone, I guarantee you that they would trade back knowing that they could probably acquire another first or 2nd round pick in return and still have their choice of Broberg or Kokkonen when its their turn to draft. Thats why I would trade #6 for #9, 10, or 11 plus another late first or 2nd and then flip that 9-11 pick in a package to WPG for Trouba. Then I would still have the acquired late 1st or 2nd to draft another Veleno or McIsaac plus our other 2 second rounders.

Last year I would have waived Witkowski or Jensen to make room. Kronwall and Witkowski are UFAs, so there's ur roster spot this season even with Daley. This year I would start the season with Green, Hronek, DD, Daley, Ericsson, Bowey. I would sign Wit to a PTO and if Cholo isnt ready, I send him down to GR and resign Witkowski to 1 year deal to be the 7th D. Trade Daley at the TDL and bring up Cholowski to finish the season on the 2nd or 3rd pair.

The problem with the #6 pick is that Byram wont be available and that's way to high to draft Broberg or the Finnish kid when there are much better F prospects available. If the Wings were going to trade their first this year for Trouba (I wouldnt) then I would trade down a few spots to like 9 or 10 and get an asset back and then trade pick 9 or 10 to WPG where they should still be able to get one of the better D prospects there.

So then why was Cholowski sent down instead of Daley last year? If they could have sent down either player, than why send down the younger, better one? That would he illogical. If you waive/buyout/demote Daley, how does that benefit Cholowski at this point? He would get top pair minutes in GR. He would get less ice time in Detroit being behind Green, Hronek and DD at the very least. So why not keep him in GR to start the season and bring him up after trading Daley at the TDL? I have no doubt that some playoff team would want to add Daley for depth and his cup pedigree. At least we would get something in return instead of getting nothing burying him in the AHL or buying him out. If Cholowski was truly NHL ready, he will/would be on the roster. There are plenty of depth players who can be traded/sent down to make room for him. You dont need to buyout a player or bury a vet in most cases.

Because an overpaid vet is still usually the better player. You can put an NHL caliber player making 1 or 2 mil more than he should on your roster or a less expensive, but generally green kid making much less. Most teams would rather keep the better player on the roster even if he's overpaid. The only way they would bury the more expensive vet is if the kid that's replacing him is legitimately better. The reason I dont burt Daley in favor of Cholowski is because , although overpaid, Daley is still the better player.

I personally would just let Kronwall walk and give his spot to Hronek. I would let Green play out his contract. And I would trade Daley at the TDL and bring up Cholowski full time for the rest of the year. I wouldnt buy out anyone at this point because I think the extended cap hit outweighs the short term benefit of adding a roster spot. I wouldn't hate it tho.

Because if you bury a 4 mil NHLer in the minors, ur cap hit is still 3.1 mil. Replace him with a less experienced, developing kid with a 900k salary and ur cap hit is exactly the same.

No.

Imagine what they could have done if they hadn't signed Marleau or JT and kept that money to pay their young core and supplemented them with more selective vet signings instead of expensive UFAs.

Man. If he really moves that slow, than this was a bad signing.

Daley and Green arent comparable situations. A buyout due to cap restraints or underperformance is different from a guy who is contributing and worth his contract being traded. Green did not want to be traded at the last TDL but reportedly agreed reluctantly to accept a trade to TB. Green and Holland negotiated again over the summer with Green having concerns over being potentially traded again. Both parties agreed that he wouldnt be. Then Green re-signed based on that understanding. Does Yzerman have to honor a deal made by his predecessor? Again, no. But Green's contract is with the Red Wings, not Ken Holland. And just because it's Yzerman now, he still represents the organization and he shouldn't renege on an agreement already made between the 2 parties. And yeah. Assuming that Green took less money and/or a shorter term contract in order to secure that part of the deal, then it would absolutely be a s****y thing for Yzerman to trade him against his wishes. Daley's situation is totally different. He signed a multi-year deal at market value without any other promises or guarantees by Holland. He's not coming back, and his contract vs performance makes him more difficult to trade. If he was bought out, no one would think anything of it.