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Does she have adderall you can use to not be sucha schizo?

Who's tammy?

You honestly found the assessment of an older NHL experienced player to be premature, and the assessment of a younger player with no NHL experience completely warranted and not premature. The logical holes here are yours, and they're easy to point out. Keep trying to go down this hole, I'll nip you every time. We've had to descend into the muck of definitions because you can't even use words and phrases correctly. I'm sorry that you have embarrassed yourself...? BINGO. YES. That's exactly the point. Your head isn't completely filled with muck. Either we are allowed to have opinions of young players or we are not. If you are okay with me praising young player X, you should be okay with me being critical of young player Y. Neither is more or less premature than the other. If you wanna disagree with my actual opinion of the player go ahead, but I will certainly draw issue if you want to dismiss me with the BS "this opinion is too premature" because you're absolutely intellectually inconsistent with the application of that trope. You're welcome to walk away at any time if you can't handle it ya dink You need adderall

I feel bad for Berggren. Seider is going to make him remember exactly why he plays the perimeter.

I don't blame you. In your shoes I'd want to sweep this under the rug and move on too. But then again, I'd never posit such a poor line of argument. It does when you decide to declare my position premature. If you think my position on Zadina is premature, you must agree my position on Seider is premature. That's the hole I'm poking in your logic. Therefore we must come to a logical conclusion: either assessments on young players are premature or they are not. Pick one. I tend to air on the side of open discussion and I think it's perfectly acceptable to have an opinion on any player at any age. What do you think? I agree that Zadina won't be traded (now) because of his age. IDK who I take I don't really follow the draft unless I discover a player I really like. I defer to the scouts.

I quoted you and you claimed misrepresentation. In that case it's called a contextomy fallacy in case you're wondering, but it didn't occur. And you know that because I provided the relevant context already and the statements are still contradictory. I should highlight all the times you said my assessment of Seider is not premature over the last 2 pages. Only to now say it is. But since you'd like to concede and move forward I think we're good. I'd like to reiterate that I've grouped Zadina into the same tier player as Bertuzzi, Larkin, Fabbri, and Hronek. And you guys still draw issue with me. I'm not sure if this is because you disagree that that tier is tradeable or because you actually think Zadina is a tier above. Most teams aren't perennial contenders. And that's exactly what I'm arguing. We need more high level picks and we need to make them count. Trading guys like Mantha/Tatar/Zadina provides that. I agree that I prefer to keep Bertuzzi over Larkin. Larkin has the advantage of being our only center and now captain though so I may not get my wish. Hopefully we can replace center down the middle soon enough for him to be traded.

If knew what a strawman was you wouldn't be claiming it. I didn't misquote you. And now I've even provided the context to rebute your spot quote claims. You contradicted yourself. And now your dancing around saying NOW you DO think my assessment was premature and actually you just think Seider is Pronger-esque. My guy, you're all over the place. No, just use premature, extreme, and strawman correctly. Not hard to do.

Okay, so all your himming and hawing was for nothing. Cool. Lol I'm still not convinced you understand what a strawman is Spotpick eh? Here's your context: >Assessment of Seider not premature, because living up to expectations >Assessment of Seider maybe premature, I just don't say it because I agree with it Oh wow, yeah, the context makes it not contradictory at all...

In my POV perennial contenders usually have about 3 superstars carrying the team. Crosby/Malkin/Letang Ovechkin/Backstrom/Carlsson Bergeron/Marchand/Chara Datsyuk/Zetterberg/Lidstrom Kanes/Toews/Keith Kopitar/Doughty/Quick Stamkos/Kucherov/Hedman This is the same formula and structure I would like to follow and build to allow for a 10 year window of elite level competition. I think we have our first piece in Seider. Maybe Raymond can become the next piece? Maybe this years draft choice as well? That would be ideal. I just don't see Zadina filling that role... or Larkin, or Bertuzzi, and so on and so forth. This fact makes these later players good and valuable, but still inevitably expendable until our cornerstones are in place in my mind.

You're getting emotional and hurting yourself in confusion now. I never said "you said" anything. I'm calling him not elite and never gonna be elite. Try to follow along. Allow me to give you some context: I am literally calling 2020 19 year old Seider the next coming of HOF Chris Pronger who will multiple Norris trophies. I am not calling him Pronger-esque or whatever scapegoat your digging for. Do you think this is premature of me? You contradicting yourself =/= strawman Maybe you should look up the definition of strawman while your in the webster reading about what premature means.

What exactly has Nashville and Minnesota won? These are the exact teams I want to avoid becoming. Perpetually good enough to make the playoffs, not win anything, and never get high draft picks. You wanna build a perrenial contender? You have to be prepared to tank for superstars. And unfortunately you're not gonna get extra 1st rounders trading helms and glendogs. You got to be willing to part with high level (but not superstar) level talent. I'm perfectly willing to have Zadina on the roster until his RFA is expiring. But if we don' have our cornerstone pieces by then it's trade time Fillip.

Fersure, I haven't really watched him play, just knew he was kinda a bust for CBJ.

Using a word properly is extreme to you? You literally said this: Again, something being premature has nothing to do with it's accuracy. If you don't understand that you shouldn't be arguing about the prematurity of anything. There is zero context in which that sentence makes any sense. But lets address the context: Player X has never played in the NHL = Not premature to compare him to a HOFer Player Y has played 2 partial seasons in the NHL = Premature to say he doesn't look like an elite level player Your "context" doesn't make it any better. At least you're starting to realize your mistakes: Very next post:

You clearly don't understand what premature means. Allow me to enlighten you. Premature: "occurring before the proper time" Prematurity has nothing to do with accuracy... you can agree or disagree with my opinion and it can still be premature. My opinion can be correct or incorrect and it can still be premature. Prematurity is purely temporal. Therefore I find it highly disingenuous for you to refer to an opinion on a 21 year old player as premature, and then turn around and have no problem with the timing on an opinion of a 20 year old. Learn what words mean.

My choices would be as follows in this order: Mike Reilly Alec Martinez Ian cole Jamie Oleksiak Jon Merrill Marc Staal

Where is that? Point it out big man. That's not spin bucko lol. You're admitting you consider things "premature" when you disagree, but not so when you agree. The definition of hypocrisy. No reason for me to believe he's a superstar yet. I would have put Seider in tier2 directly after the draft as well. Raymond looks like a great passer and thinks the game really well. I also like his confidence and leadership on the ice a lot. Other than that the rest of his toolbox looks still pretty average to me.

We definitely need more LHD if Djoos leaves. I'd rather take a flyer on a younger player than Staal though.

That's exactly my point. Zadina isn't a superstar. He's not a pillar piece thats gonna be able to drive this team. Which makes him completely expendable just like Mantha/Larkin/Bertuzzi/Fabbri. Zberg and Dats could make a drunken chimp on skates look good as a linemate. Zadina isn't that player. And we need those players. Seider is the only one untouchable in my mind. Yup, I think you keep wheeling and dealing until we have at least 2 more star caliber players. Dumbest thing we could do is try to accelerate out of a rebuild without the necessary pieces. I'm prepared to wait for that.

Don't use strawman fallacies and you won't get called out for it. Simple as. So far you've called my assessment "premature" and "extreme". Yet, as you've clearly stated now, you only consider my assessments premature when you personally disagree with them. And now you're backing off your extreme claims. Again, keep trying to spin things and I'll keep calling you out for it. Right now he's not a 60+ pt winger. He's a 30pt winger who would be played behind Filppula, Nielsen, Helm, Namestnikov, and Erne defensively. Basically not a tremendous liability. Great. Really something to write home about. The thing I am pleased with him on this year is the takeaways. I praised him up and down the last two years on his ability to strip the puck. Even called it Datsyukian. But I complained that he wasn't using this ability enough and needed to be in better positioning to do so. He's definitely improved that aspect of his game this season. I think the kid is still 1 dimensional in the O-zone. Not a play driver. Not a shooter. He's going to be reliant on his center and linemates and unfortunately Larkin is providing him a whole lot of diddly this year to work with. When he gets a competent center he will rack up more points. You are a hypocrite. If you think negative opinions of young players are "premature and wrong" you should hold the same standard for positive ones and be telling everyone to pump their breaks. You don't, admittedly so. Either all opinions on young players are premature, or none of them are.

In case anyone missed it. Seiders team swept Frolunda in the quarter finals of the SHL playoffs. Seider had 1 pt in 4 games and was an impressive +6 through the series. Per usual he manhandled Frolunda and dominated the series physically. Embarrassed Joel Lundqvist a couple times. Soderblom and Raymond didn't play for Frolunda and Neiderbach basically didn't do anything for them.

From Max Bultmans state of the franchise article on athletic Yserman:

I mean I would understand why. Merill and Nemeth are gone and he's still being left out of the lineup. With Staal on his way out the door and Cholowski being craptastic, you'd think this would be a good place for him to stay if he still has any NHL ambitions. But I guess Seider, Johansson, and McIsaac will be coming for his spot soon...

Just to be clear... I called Zadina a complimentary 2nd NHL line winger, suggested he will obtain a 60 pt pace in the near future, and ranked him in the same tier as Larkin, Hronek, Fabbri, Bertuzzi, Vrana, and Raymond... but I only deal in extremes? If you can't have a conversation with me without using misrepresentation and strawmen fallacies, stick to debating Mackel. I post up and down this board calling Seider the next coming of Chris Pronger. A franchise Dman. A player who basically already has multiple norris trophies locked in... He literally just turned 20 and has never played in the NHL... and you still have never called me out for being "premature and wrong". Why is that? Unless you really only like to police folks who speak negatively... as I've already correctly suggested you do.

I think we're in a very particular window right now. That window is called Larkin's contract. We have him signed for 2 more seasons and then he's potentially a UFA. All other players are RFA restricted for now. This ship (and Dylan's ship) has approximately 20 months to turn into the wind before Larks is traded.