Gniwder

Here is my assessment of the organizational assets (Signed): Tier 1 - (Franchise players/Foundational assets/Building blocks/Team pillars) Moritz Seider Tier 2 - (Top 6 and top 4 players/Valuable assets) Dylan Larkin Filip Hronek Tyler Bertuzzi Robby Fabbri Jakub Vrana Filip Zadina Lucas Raymond Tier 3 - (Middle 6 and bottom 4 players/Regular assets) Michael Rasmussen Joseph Veleno Albert Johansson Jared McIsaac Givani Smith Vladislav Namestnikov Luke Glendening Adam Erne Evgeny Svechnikov Gustav Lindstrom Dennis Cholowski Troy Stecher Richard Panik Bobby Ryan Taro Hirose Jonathan Bernier Tier 4 - (Other assets) Frans Nielsen Darren Helm Valtteri Filppula Sam Gagner Marc Staal Danny Dekeyser Christian Djoos Alex Biega Thomas Greiss Mathias Brome Kevin Boyle Calvin Pickard Chase Pearson Riley Barber Hayden Verbeek Dominic Turgeon Elson Turner Kyle Crisculo Joe Hicketts Dylan McIlrath Seth Barton Donovan Sebrango Filip Larsson Victor Brattstrom Kaden Fulcher Obviously a lot more variation in the lower tiers. The goal of the rebuild is to find Tier1 pieces, and then proceed down the tiers from there. Only after we have 3-4 tier 1 pieces should we start giving a crap about the lower tiers. Lower tiers should be leveraged to their fullest to rebuild the upper tiers and especially tier 1.

I mean I called you a moron for saying "awful" was a bad assessment of an "awful #6 pick". I'm sorry. I think your opinions are awful, but that doesn't mean I think you're completely useless, much like Zadina.

"Im gonna fill the nets with pucks" >Scores a 15 goal a year pace Good news, we successfully replaced Thomas Vanek

Thanks for quoting me. Matt is in here deleting my posts. Matt go back to be an absentee website owner plz. We only require your interference when you let your deadbeat website go down for an entire month. So if I said "Zadina is doing amazing and really developing his D game. It's clear the offense WILL come and he will be a tremendous winger" you would call that premature and wrong? Right?

Mantha was traded because the wheels on the bus completely came off. Stopped trying. We all could see it. If he gave a crap he would've pumped his numbers and would still be around. And Yzerman would be saying the opposite of "this is gonna take longer than expected". I believe I can assess a player at 21. If you feel you can't, okay I guess? Just find it strange that you all love to assess 18 year olds prior to the draft but from 19-24 it's forbidden to do so. He's not a player I would build a team around. We need players we can build a team around. If we already had the foundational pieces he would be a welcome addition. But because we don't he immediately becomes expendable in an effort to find those pieces. Not sure how to better explain that to you. It's pretty straightforward. In our situation absolutely. I'm surprised you'd object strongly to this. We don't need good players. We need building blocks. I'm not trying to ice a good team. I'm trying to build a cup team. I think this is where many of you don't see eye to eye with me. If your goal is just to be competitive and make the playoffs then you won't like my takes. I want cups not playoff appearances. Soderblom is completely a hypothetical. How are you missing the point here? Exchange his name for any untested prospect dippy Buffalo is gonna ship out Eichel ASAP. And we should trade Larkin too. He ain't that good. Berggren and Raymond have a whole lot to prove before they get deemed ELITE. And if either are elite level good they won't need a Zadina to produce. Elite building block players can make all their teammates look good. And make players like Abdelkader earn unfair contracts. Zadina is more in line with Abdelkader. He's dependant on his teammates for production. Completely expendable. That's the idea. I'm not comfortable moving forward until Seider has at least two forwards with him who are elite level offensive drivers. That's what it takes to build a perennial championship team. If that means wheeling and dealing until Seider is 30 I'm completely okay with that. But hopefully we get those players sooner than that. Who else needs to be dunked on today?

Oh definitely. Mantha was capable of a 70 pt pace on this wretched team. In Washington's top6 I will not be surprised to see him go more than a PPG next season. And they got him pretty controlled from us. Was a good trade for both teams.

Bword please. I called Mantha Franzen 2.0 the day he was drafted and that's about as far as my pooping on him went. And oh look... he became exactly Franzen 2.0 like I predicted... I'm not pumping Mantha up, he's doing that himself. I just disagree with everyone who think Yzerman "OmFG lOL FReAkiN fLeEcED da cApS" the trade is pretty fair in my eyes. Mantha has a lot more potential than Vrana does. I'm playing fast and loose with the assessment "60 pt winger" here. The actual stipulation I'm making is that Zadina doesn't drive the offense. And I don't ever see him becoming a driver. Hell, he might even get 70 pts on a top line with our next Zetterberg or Datsyuk... but he will never BE Zetterberg or Datsyuk. And if it costs me x1 Zadina to get picks that lead to my next Zberg or Dats, better bet I'm gonna spend that Zadina. Everytime our next big thing doesn't put up the offense we expect them to the fans sing the same song: "He's focusing on developing his game away from offense, look at his amazing defense now though.". It's the same clockwork BS excuse everytime. But the reality is that player isn't the selke caliber stalwart you're trying to shift the narrative towards. And he's also just not the offenive dynamo we hoped for either. Everyone hopes(ed) Zadina will be our Elias Pettersson, but he's not. He's more similar to another Larkin/Mantha. Good, but not good enough to be a pillar for the future. And just like with Mantha I will be more than happy to trade him for the right price.

Except when it comes to Bertuzzi, Fabbri, Hronek, Seider, Bernier, Raymond, Glendening, Mantha, Erne, Svechnikov, Rasmussen, Smith, Cholowski, Lindstrom, Blashill, Berggren, Brome, Johansson, and countless other current/former players, sure. How long do we have to play the charade where we pretend he's some elite defensive all star in order to excuse his on ice performance? I'm not interested in acquiring 60 pt wingers. I'm interested in acquiring elite building blocks to cement the foundation of this team. Anything else is expendable to acquire those blocks if the price is right. Zadina, Hronek, AA, Mantha, Tatar, Nyquist, Bertuzzi, Fabbri, Larkin are all expendable in my eyes. The only player I consider an untouchable building block is Seider.

I'm absolutely FOR trading any of our players at their peak value. Including Larkin and Zadina. The difference with Zadina is the pedigree around him. If Soderblom comes up the lineup and becomes a 50 pt winger, I consider that a great win awesome. There were very little expectations for this 6th round player to even reach the roster. If 6th overall Zadina only amounts to 50 pts we have a problem... But also because of his draft pedigree he has residual value surrounding him. If another team sees a 22/23 year old former top10 pick on a 50 pt pace they may be willing to fork over a lot for that. I'm saying pull that trigger if it comes. Zadina is never gonna carry this team.

Without the puck he's definitely improved. But he's still a complimentary triggerman who can barely drive his own offense. He'll be dependent on his center his entire career. Right now he doesn't have a center who can feed him so he's on pace for a whopping 10 goals. Real good stuff.

Trading complimentary players for picks like Tatar, Nyquist, AA ---> Smart Letting complimentary players walk for no picks like Filppula, Hudler ---> Not smart Trading complimentary Zadina ---> Smart

B A S ED Buffalo. C H A D Carolina.

You're using the exact same strawman every Red Wing slappy uses when this discussion comes up... I've never argued Zadina won't score points or play in the NHL. I've argued he's a one dimensional complimentary player who you should not consider a foundational piece of the roster. There's a big difference between Hudler on your roster scoring 60 pts, and Hossa on your roster scoring 60 pts. Zadina is the former, not the later. If we can skip with the whole misrepresenting folks positions that would be more constructive. I know you know my actual position.

Vrana = 1-0-1 in 2 games Mantha = 4-1-5 in 4 games Mantha is a good player and the Caps knew what they were doing IMO

Zadina is on a 30 some point pace. If I'm Yzerman I'm waiting for his first big standout season - where he comes in hot and goes on a 60 point pace at like 23 years old. Then I immediately Flip him at that deadline or draft for something better like a younger center or Dman like the Sergachev trade. Let anther team gamble on him becoming the next Hossa (he won't). Use the opportunity to salvage as many assets as we can.

Zadina was certainly BPA at the time we were picking. I never even watched or read much about him going into the draft because I assumed we wouldn't have a chance at selecting him. But then we did and I was thrilled at our luck. Few months later I got to finally watch him play. Awful. Not deserving of a top 10 pick. Now I know why the other GMs passed on the supposed #2/#3 player. Holland clearly didn't do his homework and should have also passed on him as well like the 5 GMs before him. 1 dimensional winger with pumped up numbers. Boqvist, Hughes, Kravtsov, Bouchard, Wahlstrom, and Dobson would have all been better picks. Keep doubling down on the infinite amount of excuses for this kid... "HIS PLAY AWAY FROM THE PUCK HAS DEVELOPED SO MUCH IGNORE THE DEPRESSED SCORING NUMBERS HES DEVELOPING"... He is indeed developing, but not in any significant way to get excited about. This kid does not have toolbox or the smarts to ever be anything beyond an average complimentary 2nd liner winger. Doubt me if you want. I saw Seider's greatness ahead of everyone, and I saw Zadina's flaws. One is accelerating at mach speed and the other continues to flounder. Color me surprised. I'm still very confident in my assessment... despite the ridiculous outrage levied against me for it over the seasons. Boohoo, your 6th overall was drafted WAY too high for his actual value. Get over it and remove the Wings bias when assessing your players.

Seider has annexed Sweden. Djoos had to flee to neutral Switzerland. The Yzer Solution will soon be realized.

Rafkin passed him over the last 3 games. Rafkin played (well) for the Spits in his draft year, but committed to going back to Finland before his first year in the OHL was even over. Not sure anyone wanted to commit a draft pick to a player already abandoning NA. Though I could see him being a over ager if he continues to play well for Turku.

Certainly I think 1 or 2 could survive the next 3 years. Maybe that guy is Bertuzzi. It will entirely depend on the commitment to the team said player has. Said player is going to have to continue to work hard and want to be here through the bad times. I don't think most player want to wait until they are in their 30's to start realistically competing. But maybe 1 of them bleeds red enough to do this. We'll see. We've already watched AA and Mantha prove themselves with big seasons, only to take their foot off the gas the next season when the team doesn't improve. IDK how much of that is intentional on their parts. Coward. Where are the hard uncompromising opinions derived on limited information that LGW expects?

Yzerman has said the only players with protection right now are Larkin, Hronek, Zadina, Seider, and Raymond. I suspect Larkin because captaincy and only center. Hronek and Zadina because of age. Seider and Raymond because of blue chip status. One of the issues with Bertuzzi, Fabbri, Vrana is the win now age and our other wingers coming up. We are going to have to make room on the top6 wings for Raymond, Berggren, Possibly Veleno and/or Rasmussen, and probably another we don't know about yet over the next 2-3 seasons. Does it do anyone any good to have them waste their prime years with us while we retool and rebuild? Especially when we already have players needing to develop into the roles they are occupying over that time? Logistically I think it makes the most sense to sell all 3 over the next 2-3 seasons to keep the draft pick train chugging and also clear spots for Raymond+. These players deserve to be on win now teams anyway at their age. It sucks because I do adore Bertuzzi and Fabbri (and Vrana after 1 game). But it's a business decision. We already have younger wingers in the pipes and selling them helps us augment the rest of the team. They'll also be past their primes by the time we are thinking of cups.

After Hronek I really don't care. All are pretty average to useless. I think the last forward is the tough part.

At this point... Protect: Forwards: Larkin Bertuzzi Vrana Fabbri Smith Erne Svechnikov Rasmussen Defenders: Hronek Cholowski Lindstrom Goalies: Bernier You can only protect 7 forwards. Who is the one to get exposed? Smith, Erne, or Svech? All of the sudden Erne and Svech are making it more interesting...

This is the new face of the Detroit Red Wings Erne - Namestnikov - Panik (The Red Lightning Line)

This team NEEDS at every position. 1. Wallstedt - don't be a little girl and just do it. Get our Vasi/Lundqvist rolling 2. One of the Dmen - It's a D heavy draft; draft heavy on D 3. A center - We will still suck next year, we can wait for this

x6 seasons in the NHL. About to turn 25. Averages 55 pts a season. Don't worry he'll still develop into an elite 1C cause defense or better teammates or some other half witted excuse