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  1. 2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    If you want to argue the merit of the league's turn away from physical play or the inconsistency of enforcement, those are both valid arguments. That doesn't mean the DoPS got it wrong here.

    I am arguing DPS got it wrong here if u hadnt figured that out. 

    2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

     

    I didn't parade anything or circle back. I only repeated what the DoPS said:

    So what was all that about evans being defenseless and vulnerable? Had a few to many?

    2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

     

    1. Scheifele "traveled a considerable distance... with exceptional speed." Yes or no? 

    2. He was "aware of his momentum." Yes or no?

    3. Scheifele "chooses to charge". Yes or no?

    4. Evans was a "vulnerable opponent". Yes/no?

    5. Scheifele threw a "high" hit. Yes or no?

    6. That hit "cause[d] an injury". Yes or no?

    These are all of the listed reasons why the DoPS suspended Scheifele. Can you deny any of them? Because if you cant, than you agree with the league.

    1. Yes, but cut off speed 35 ft prior to contact. Opposite of a charge.

    2. Yes

    3. No

    4. No

    5. No

    6. Yes

    s*** i think u can easily say no to half that BS. Are you honestly retarded or u just a big drinker up there?


  2. 2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    We'll see if Seider can play at that level for a full 82 game season. My guess is he'll start to cool off about 2/3 into the season and "fans" will start to sour real quick. Despite the fact that he's the best D prospect since Kronwall.

    Lmao doubting seider? Ill take that bet. Please say some more s*** i can quote when hes winning norris trophies. 


  3. 5 hours ago, Dabura said:

    I guess I'm just not understanding why we need to be having hard conversations about Larkin at this time.

    Would I like to have a 1C who's significantly better than Larkin? Sure. Do I have a foolproof plan for acquiring that player? Nope.

    I'm assuming we're not getting that player. And I'm saying that's not necessarily a bad thing. If we can instead simply find a centerman who's about as good as Larkin overall but maybe more of a natural scorer, that could be enough.

    Its bc of Seider and larkins captaincy staus.

    Itll be the emerging debate throughout the year.

    Seider is a total package. Skill, physicality, attitude, charisma. Future HOFer.

    Larkin is boring and a good defensive 2C. But hes from Michigan...

    The praise for Seider is going to grow rapidly within the Red Wings, within the league, and abroad (best German player of all time)

    The biggest mistake i think Yzerguy ever made was naming larkin captain. Seider is literally going to outshine Larkin to the point he needs to be stripped or traded. 

    Just wait. I havent been wrong about this kid yet. 


  4. 2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    1. Wrong. Neither Z or Datsyuk's only job was to score points. Neither was Feds or Yzerman's for that matter. All 4 were capable of putting up monster offensive numbers, yet they were all expected to sacrifice scoring to play a 2way game. Just like Larkin. And they also had way better wingers to play with. Unlike Larkin.

    We needed a new KR. Bless u sir.

    1. Never said it was the only job of a 1C. Nice strawman. A 1Cs job is essentially everying and anything, but they absolutely have to produce points and scoring chances. Probably more so than any other player on the team. Larkin is entirely mediocre at that, which is why hes not a 1C on a good team. 

    2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

     

    2. Wrong again. If Larkin was regressing, than how could his linemates improve? Because Larkin has had to adapt his game to focus more on defense and 2way play. That's why HIS offensive numbers have dropped while his linemates numbers have improved. They can focus more on scoring while Larkin covers.

    Larkins linemates improved their scoring because theyre good young players that are progressing their game. Larkin should be benefiting from that increased production. But you seem to think larkin stays at the blue line and watches them play offense to cover for them? Am i interpreting your notion correctly? 

    2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

     

    3. No one is saying otherwise. He is not your prototypical 1C. But if a player has to meet your rigid standards to be one, than there are a lot of 1C's who don't deserve that title besides Larkin.

    Funny way of saying hes not a 1C

    2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

     

    It's not fanboy excuses. It's an understanding of Larkin's ability and his specific circumstances. Something you refuse to do, because all you look at is scoring and don't consider anything else.

    More straw men

    I openly admit Larkin is strong defensive player and fast skater. I guess that means i only look at the numbers to you?

    I encourage you to talk to other fans and escape the fanboy bubble for a moment. No one thinks this highly of Larkin besides circle jerking detroit fans. Its cringey and embarassing the excuses made for this kid. And im not even claiming hes a bust or something. And furthermore, just watch him play. I dont claim to be a scout but theres absolutely nothing impressive about his offensive game. He can skate and hold on to the puck. After that hes entirely average. Defend your boy. Ill be here still when hes still scoring at a 2C level with vrana and raymond around him 


  5. 7 minutes ago, Scott R Lucidi said:

    Youve also been challenged to fight on here?!!!  I gave a guy my address 15 years ago on here and offered a school yard to meet up at.  I was nervous as f***, but he no showed.

    A little less convenient, i was driving 2000+ miles cross country, stopped at cabelas in michigan to shop for my stuff i needed, and this puss puss still never showed despite talking made s***. 


  6. 43 minutes ago, kipwinger said:

    My two cents. Judging a guy's correct role on a team by the points he scores can be misleading. Especially when you're talking about the linemate/ice time effect. Remember when Ian White came to Detroit and immediately had a career best year because he was paired with Lidstrom? Sure looked like the expanded role and better partner upped his game. But did it really? Probably not. He was never a top pair defenseman, despite Lidstrom dragging him around the ice. His improved stats only obscured the fact that we now had a bum on our top pair and the team was worse off for it.

    Same with Abdelkader riding shotgun with Datsyuk. Sure his stats improved, anybody's would have. But was the team better for having a 3-4th line tweener on the top line? Nope.

    Whether or not Larkin scores 50, 60, or 70 pts., he's not the kind of player that drives play at both ends of the ice if his offense is reliant on his linemates. And that's the type of guy you probably don't call a 1C. Or rather, if it takes Bertuzzi and Mantha/Vrana to get Larkin to 70(ish) points then imagine how much a real playmaking center would score with them?

    In an ideal situation you'd have a line with an offensively capable center, and offensively capable wingers, and that line would score a lot. And then a Bertuzzi-Larkin-??? line that scores at a solid, but unspectacular, rate and can match up with top lines. That creates a competitive advantage. Giving really great offensive opportunities to a line centered by Larkin is a bad idea if you've got better alternatives. 

    The moment you find urself making excuses for players you should ask yourself "why the f*** am i doing this?" "Am i being a slappy fan boy?"

    I knew a guy who worked for olympia entertainment and he said the illitches specifically do not hire anyone who has any kinda fandom for the teams. Clouds judgment. Stop being larkin fans and evaluate him like u would a dallas star player... then ull realize his true nature.

     


  7. On 6/6/2021 at 6:30 AM, Akakabuto said:

    My point is that people shouldn't get upset if Yzerman picks someone not even discussed in the top 10 leading up to the draft. Nobody knows how this is going to shake out. It's a weird year and the players that gets the most talk are the ones who played the most games that scout could actually watch.

    In fact u should be excited when Yzerman drafts the #25 at 6. It means Mo Seider 2.0 incoming. 


  8. 17 hours ago, Dabura said:

    Fair. But the point isn't that Larkin is Bergeron. Rather, the point is that if you put Marchand and Pastrnak on Larkin's wings, the "Larkin is a wholly inadequate 1C" criticism likely disappears.

    Sure but your essentially arguing:

    >lets mask Larkins deficiencies by propping him up with not 1 but 2 elite wingers.

    Id rather just address the truth of the situation now instead of banking on maybe having multiple elite wingers one day to save larkins 1C position. 


  9. On 6/5/2021 at 7:04 AM, ely s said:

    To assess Larkin through his ppg rate is a bit thin. He is playing on one of the worst teams in the last 5 years, was forced to play against the best night in night out and his support cast was let´s say mediocre and often hit by injuries. As SY said in his final presser, the points will come once the support cast is better and no one can argue that his two way play or work ethic is not were it needs to be.

    Completely disagree. A 1C's job is to generate points - a lot of points - and also to do that while dealing with often the toughest matchup trying to shut u down. If larks cant handle that responsibility hes not a true 1C.

    Furthermore we've watched Larkins linemates excel and grow. Bertuzzi, Mantha (except this season) Fabbri, Zadina, and now Vrana. Yet Larkin regresses while they develop. So your theory about its just his weak ass linemates, isnt at all true. 

    Larkin is an impressively fast, defensively capable, top 6 center. He does not possess the play making ability to ever be a true backbone 1C in this league. 

     


  10. On 6/5/2021 at 6:26 AM, ely s said:

    my concern is mostly what the league will do with Seider once he´s here... The injury to Evans was unfortunate but nonetheless in part his own fault, he´s not the first one who got flattened because his head was down. Hard but fair hockey shouldn´t end up with suspensions. The check to Larkin´s neck should´ve been a suspension not a clean hit, even if the clean hit causes injury.

    Exactly why DPS is a joke. Larkin incident ignored. Evans incident recieves the hammer. When Larkin was in a far more vulnerable position and the play is actually dirty.

    DPS reacts based on fan uproar. Only Detroit fans said anything about Larkin. But half the league was watching and crying for poor head down Evans. Theyre social police at this point. 

    On 6/5/2021 at 6:11 PM, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    Except it's been done for years already. High sticking? 2 minutes. Blood? 4 minutes. 

    And a hit doesn't have to be both dirty and illegal. I dont think the hit was dirty, but it was against the rules that protect players. 

    According to NHL Rule 42, a charging penalty:

    • Shall be imposed on a player who skates, jumps into or charges an opponent in any manner.
    • Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner.
    • A "charge" may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.

    Said the NHL of its decision to suspend Scheifele for charging: "This is a player who has traveled a considerable distance, is moving with exceptional speed and is fully aware of his momentum, who chooses to charge into a vulnerable opponent with a high, predatory hit that causes an injury." 

    While I disagree with the term "predatory", I agree with the rest of the statement and the decision to suspend.

    What is so hard about this to understand?

    Ive said from the very start of this discussion that it is technically a charge and i cant fault one for arguing that line. You chose to parade out a buncha made up crap about Evans being defenseless and vulnerable instead. So spare me the "what is so hard about this to understand" when you circle back to charging. 

    It's a very weak charging call. Because the play mandates Scheifele traveling a great distance regardless of contact. Had it been a tighter race for the puck and the two crashed in the corner before Evans could even attempt a wrap around... no charge would be called. Just like charging is never called on those plays despite distance traveled. The league is reacting because the hit was big.

    Furthermore, Scheifele lets off the gas before contact! I checked the measurements and he stops skating a full 35 ft before making contact with Evans. This exactly what he should have done to negate a charge. As the play develops, and he realizes hes going to make contact with Evans, he stops 'charging' forward.

    Weakest charging call of all time. Hit clean. Any suspension is pure tom foolery. 

     


  11. 20 minutes ago, Dabura said:

    Vrana -- Larkin -- Raymond
    Bertuzzi -- ??? -- Zadina
    Fabbri -- Veleno -- Berggren
    Erne -- Rasmussen -- Niederbach

    ??? -- Seider
    ??? -- Hronek
    Johansson -- Tuomisto

    UFA/Trade goalie
    UFA/Trade goalie

    So, three holes: 2C, 1LD, 2LD.

    It's entirely possible Veleno or Rasmussen becomes a legit 2C, but for the time being I'm going to assume they ultimately settle in as bottom-six centermen or complementary wingers.

    If Hronek or Seider can play the left side, we may already have a future top pairing in Hronek/Seider -- Seider/Hronek. Just some food for thought.

    We can address one of our key holes with our first pick in the upcoming draft. Then we can address one of the remaining two holes with our first pick in next year's draft.

    The UFA and trade markets are always an option.

    I'm fine with getting our goalie(s) via free agency and/or trade. Bernier and Greiss have performed well behind an AHL-caliber Wings team and each of them is arguably good enough to win a Cup as a 1G. Guys like Bernier and Greiss will always be available.

    I would throw Viro into that mix on the LHD side. IMO he's honestly our best D prospect outside of Seider and Johansson. McIsaac and possibly Wallinder should be in there too. I'm really not as high on Tuomisto as many folks are. I'd list Viro, Wallinder, and McIsaac ahead of him.

    At forward you're missing Smith and Pearson. Both look like NHLers to me.

    Petruzelli should be considered at goalie. His time is approaching.

     

     

     

    We need superstars at any position. That's the hole. Maybe less so D cause of Seider.


  12. 13 minutes ago, F.Michael said:

    We wouldn’t be talking about the hit or the suspension had Evans not gotten injured.

    Exactly. And also exactly why basing suspension on injury is the most moronic thing the league has ever done.

    Clean legal hit? Too bad - Evans got hurt from the ensuing incidental head bonks. Now your clean hit is considered dirty and you must sit 4 games.

    This league is approaching total clown-world real quick.

    If you want to make that Scheifele hit illegal, great. Change the rules to make it so. But to pretend that hit was egregious under the current rules is more laughable than the leafs franchise still claiming it was their cup year.

    And I'm honestly shocked how many folks agree with the league here. Big hit hockey is dead. If this is the reaction to this hit then we're going to be going by women's rules sooner than I could've even imagined (not hyperbole).


  13. 2 hours ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    I dont know where you get your stats, but Larkin finished 89th in 16/17 (his first season at center I believe) 28th in 17/18, 24th in 18/19 and 29th in 19/20 among centers. And I am including not only full time centers, but any forward who averages more time at C than W.

    He finished 76th this season after playing in only 44 games due to injury. His PPG average would have put him at 30 points if he played a full season which would have put him in the 50's. Not 1C numbers obviously, but still 2C.

    Larkin has been a low end 1C for the previous 3 seasons, and even in a down year, he was still at a 2C level. Exactly where most people put him.

    No one in their right mind thinks Ras or Veleno will ever be a 1C. Love to be wrong tho.

    The official spot. NHL.com.

    • 2015/16: Larkin finishes 65th among league centers in PPG (excluding centers who played less than 50 games)
    • 2016/17: Larkin ties for 95th-98th (same parameters) with Devin Shore and Jean-Gabriel Pageau
    • 2017/18: Ties for 33rd-34th with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
    • 2018/19: Ties for 19th-22nd with Lindholm, Hertl, and Duchene
    • 2019/20: Ties for 32nd-33rd with Logan Couture
    • 2020/21: Ties for 67th-73rd with Chytil, Eller, Pageau, Statsny, Kempe, Wennberg (excluding centers who played less than 30 games)

    His average career finish (taking the highest number from ties) and excluding his first two seasons is: 38th

    You guys literally love to call him a legit 1C because of 1 season out of 6 where he tied with Duchene, Hertl, and Lindholm. This is clearly a 2C. 3/4 of the last seasons tell you this. He's 25 now and has 6 seasons under his belt. And he's not improving anymore, in fact he's declining on the stat sheet. Don't feed me the excuse of the team sucks, cause we've watched talented players around him and on his line score. Will he jump back up to the 30-40 center range this next year? Quite possibly. But that's 2C level. Call a spade a spade.

    IMO the most egregious error a team can make is unreliably assessing the talent you have or will have (scouting). This is the bread and butter of any organization. Teams that can't do this effectively operate in a fog of war that leads to bad trades and utilizing talent improperly.

    If you don't think Ras or Veleno have true 2C potential then they should both be traded immediately while they still have value and potential as prospects. I say this because Larkin is also a bonafide 2C. And if Ras and/or Veleno can't replace him I'd rather keep Larkin. I think Ras is going to do very well for the Red Wings though. He took very large steps as a 21 year old this year. Larkin should worry about his job.


  14. Again

    >Hit not late
    >Play not dead
    >Scheifele stops striding 15 ft before the hit
    >Hit is shoulder to shoulder

    Text book clean hit

    The only one doing something stupid on the play is Evans. He put himself in a vulnerable position going for an empty net goal. Had he kept his head up he may not have done this. But he did and he paid the price for it (also getting the goal).

    It is not Scheifele's responsibility to not hit a player who puts themselves in a vulnerable position. It's said players responsibility to not put themselves in vulnerable positions. Play dumb = win dumb prizes.


  15. 1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    I didn't say that a wraparound exempts you from contact. But Evans was still in a position where he could not protect himself nonetheless. And the league takes that into account when handing out discipline. You can't demolish a defenseless player. Period.

    Absolute from between your cheeks bollocks. Please explain to me how Evans is anymore defenseless than when Kronwall slept Havlat? Does standing next to the net instead of the half wall somehow magically make Evans unable to defend himself? A defenseless hit is taking someone from behind or hitting a guy already down. None of that happens here. Scheifele is square to the shooter and lays shoulder to chest.

    So far you've cited wrap around: not exempt from a hit
    And having two hands on his stick (lol what?): not exempt from a hit

    Please reach deep into your crack and give me your next lame excuse about how Evans is turned 9 degrees north making him ineligible to be hit.

    1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    If a defenseman is standing in front of the net and checks Evans as he is coming around the net, that would be a legal hit. And Evans would have seen him there, and expected the hit, before attempting the wraparound. Entirely different scenario.

    Oh wait... so Evans wasn't defenseless now? Cause if a Dman had done it it would be legal... oh okay. Makes total sense...

    I also wasn't aware that players receiving a hit have to be made aware that a hit is coming. News to me. Maybe Scheifele should have called out to Evans and let him know he was about to hit him? I know Konstantinov used to do that "watch out comrade I will hit you now!".

    Honestly, where are you pulling this make believe from? If you want to argue it's a charging call lets just do that and forget this BS.

    1 hour ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    Scheifele was near the blue line when Evans had the puck. Evans either never saw him, or saw him but was expecting a poke check or for Scheifele to let up on the hit. Neither happened. That's the problem.

    100% false. Re-watch the hit. Scheifele is already between the hash marks half way through the circle when Evans first touches the puck. But you are correct, Evans never once picks his head up before or after retrieving the puck to look down ice at what's coming at him. But that is exactly zero percent of Scheifele's problem. You skate with the puck and your head down you're asking to get leveled. There is absolutely no rule that Scheifele can't take the body on that play. The only argument you can make is for charging, and I'm happy to dive deep and hash out exactly why the play isn't charging either.


  16. Re-watching the hit and paying attention to where Evans is. The moment Evans retrieves the puck and it's clear he's taking it far side for the wrap around, Scheifele stops skating. Stops skating at the top of the circle. Big hit, but absolutely clean and within the rules.

    Evans knew those defenders were baring down on him and made the play regardless. Good on him.

    >Play still live
    >Player has the puck
    >Doesn't accelerate into the hit
    >Shoulder to chest contact

    Absolutely clean and legal.


  17. 9 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    Charging is essentially a personal foul. It resulted in a player injury. That's the whole point of the DoPS: Handing out disciplinary action in these types of scenarios.

    IMHO I wouldn't call it a charge at all. Scheifele was doing exactly what he was supposed to, rushing to make a defensive play. That's not traveling a great distance for the purpose of leveling a hit. Furthermore, as both Scott and I have pointed out, Scheifele stops taking strides about 15 ft prior to contact. At the same time bringing his stick in and bracing for the hit. That's the moment he decides he's no longer racing back; he's taking the body. And he does exactly what he should do in that moment: lets off the gas and stops taking strides.

    The only way you can argue it's a charge is because of the distance traveled. But there's many similar scenarios where players travel great distances and make contact - and those aren't considered charges. Because they're racing for the puck or something like this. The play lacks the intention of traveling far just to make a hit. Exactly the same in this case.

    Calling charging on that play is a very weak/questionable call.

    22 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    Roughing occurs when a player uses unnecessary force in contacting another player. It can happen during play. It doesn't have to occur after a whistle.

    A clean hit isn't considered roughing.

    23 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    Evans was moving the puck on a wraparound. Both hands were on his stick. He had no way to protect himself from the hit.

    What are you even talking about? This isn't a thing.

    Performing a wraparound doesn't exempt you from contact. And I'm willing to bet 9/10 players hit ever have both hands on their stick when receiving contact. Why? Cause they almost always have the puck or have just released it. Go watch Kronwall's hits. Nearly every victim: both hands on stick.

    Where do you even come up with this stuff?

    30 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    It was close, yes. But Sheifele was far enough away that it was unlikely he was going to prevent that goal. He also knew, or should have known, that if he made contact with Evans, that he was getting a penalty nonetheless.

    Not at all. The most frustrating part about the play is not the big clean hit, it's the fact that Scheifele was well within reach and timing to make a stick play and prevent the goal, and didn't do it.

    However, had he played the puck, the two are absolutely still gonna collide. And there should be no call for that contact either.

    35 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    I like the hustle. Every guy should play that hard. But he took the body instead of going for the puck. Even you admitted that. The only way he was stopping that goal without a penalty was if he poked the puck away and let up on the contact. He did neither.

    I suspect the call that Scheifele made on the play was to protect himself. You do that by stop taking strides and bracing for impact. Exactly what he did. If he makes the poke play the collision still occurs - but now with him in an extended, awkward, position. Evans sacrificed his body to make the play. Scheifele did the opposite. Opting to hit instead of collide awkwardly. And if I'm Paul Maurice I would have words with him - not about hurting an opponent - but about not being willing to sacrifice the body to make that play. That's what little ******* do.


  18. 17 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    This was his first season as a full time center that he didn't finish in the top 30 among centers, I believe. I don't think its fair to remove him from 1C status based on just 1 year.

    The center you would get back would be less than Larkin. You're improving a position of strength while depleting a position of weakness.

    Tied with 3 others for #33 last year in PPG among centers league wide who played 50 games or more.

    Larkin literally has only 1 season where he scored among the top 30.

    73 in '19!!! Wooooo

     

    5 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

    You know who else "hopes" (sees) this in Larkin? Yzerman. Larkin will remain THIS team's 1C for the foreseeable future.

    He'll be traded as soon as Yzerman's deems Seider ready. Don't forget Seider is an Yzerman boy. Larkin is from the bygone Holland era.


  19. 34 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    He was certainly guilty of charging since he was skating full speed toward Evans before he delivered the hit.

    The thing is, he was doing what he's supposed to do, hustling to make a play to prevent a goal.

    Exactly why it's even a questionable charging call. He was doing exactly what he was supposed to be doing, and it was a weird rare play that ended in a collision. Not an intentional charging play where a player unnecessarily skates down from the blue line to deliver a hit in the corner.

    34 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    You could argue he was also guilty of roughing.

    How? Roughing is for on ice altercations, not hits during a play.

    34 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    But he did injure a player while commiting a "personal foul" so to speak. And that deserves a suspension.

    What's the personal foul? Delivering a hit to player with the puck?

    34 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    He also delivered a devastating hit on a defenseless player without making an attempt to lessen the impact. And it's arguable that it was an unnecessary hit as Evans was going to score anyway.

    Defenseless? How? He's square on to Evans. Not Scheifele's fault Evans not watching the defenders. And where is this all coming from that players need to hold back on hits and attempt to lessen impacts? That's not a thing.

    The puck crosses the goal line about 0.5 second before Scheifele makes contact with Evans. This bit about it "it was going in anyway" is pure malarchy. A half second sooner and the goal may not even happen without a poke play.

     


  20. 5 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

    If Yzerman was going to trade Larkin, he would not have named him Captain. Zetterberg's contract wasn't over until this summer. There was no need to name a Captain unless Yzerman was sure he named the right guy. If he wasn't sure, he would've just kept A's like before until Z's contract officially expired this summer.

    I hate to say this, but Yzerman stopped being a #1 Center when Fedorov took over during the 1993-94 season. Still, there was no change in leadership.

    Okay but Yzerman had already been captain for 7-8 seasons at that point, and would have been THE 1C on any other team in the league that didn't have Fedorov or Lemieux or something.

    Plus Yzerman and Feds had pretty much identical ice time for their entire time together. Saying Yzerman isn't a 1C because Feds was also there is like saying Zberg wasn't cause Dats was there or vice versa.

     

    2 minutes ago, Neomaxizoomdweebie said:

    Value wise, I think it's a no-brainer if its a 1 for 1 trade, as Jones would be the better player. But Jones is another RHD and we already have that slot filled on all 3 D pairs.

    And then you flip Hronek for a center.

    Seider/Jones > Seider/Hronek


  21. 6 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

    You and like two other people agree that Larkin sucks. Everyone else thinks Larkin is a low end 1C, or at worst a high end 2C. But yeah, don't "buy my crap"...

    Well Larkin isn't a completely useless player like Smith was lol. So you're on slightly better ground here. I'm sure there's plenty of folks still holding on to hope that Larkin will somehow magically become a 1C caliber playmaking center 7 seasons into the league. But it's not gonna happen. We've seen plenty of him and he's had plenty of time to develop his game. That's simply not the player he is. He's a Philip Danault style 2C. And on the contrary, I think most folks have come to realize that already.

    15 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

    Why would folks forget about their number one center and captain just because we add a number one defenseman? That makes no sense. Did folks forget about Yzerman when we added Lidstrom back in '91?

    Well Yzerman was actually a legitimate 1C and deserving captain lol

    Larkin is going to sink into the proverbial shadows both in the lockerroom and with fans as soon as Seider's charisma and play takes over this team.

    17 minutes ago, krsmith17 said:

    What exactly can't I see that's an inch from my face? Enlighten me...

    The age of Dylan is over. Mo is your captain now in all but name.