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Holland traded Vernon away almost immediately upon taking over. And Holland ran every draft from 87 to 97. He's literally directly responsible for drafting Fedorov, Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Kozlov, Osgood, Knuble, Primeau, Lapointe, Sillinger, McCarty, Drake, and Holmstrom. I also find it funny that you credit Andersson with Datsyuk and Zetterberg. But you don't consider the fact that Lidstrom and Holmstrom were also Andersson, not Jimmy Devellano. Oh and Klima, Kozloz, Fedorov, and Konstantinov... those were masterminded by Jim Lites, not Jimmy D. Do you still think Devellano drafted Steve Yzerman? Sorry to tell you, but that was Neil Smith. Probert and Kocur were both Neil Smith. Shanahan, Fetisov, Murphy, Maltby, Larionov, and Vernon trades all happened when Jimmy D gave GM responsibilities to Scotty Bowman. But do you know what trade Devellano did do? The Federko trade. Probably the worst trade in Red Wings history. But I guess he also did the best trade in Wings history when he got Draper for one dollar.... wait! Nope, that was Bryan Murray. Paul Coffey, Brad McCrimmon, and Dino Ciccarelli, also Bryan Murray. Now that I think about, the Wings were pretty much garbage under Devellano until Holland, Andersson, and Bowman came around. So really Devellano got handed an all star team by them. No wonder he had to step back in 97 and let Holland take over. Furthermore, Hakan Andersson was hired by Devellano based on the advice of Nick Polano and Crister Rockstrom. Devellano had never even met or spoken with Andersson before he hired him. The hiring was blind luck on Devellanos part. But do you know who Andersson credits with mentoring him and training him up to become a full time scout intead of a part timer who drives cab and guides fishermen? You guessed right: Ken Holland. So I guess you could say Ken is sorta responsible for Andersson's career? Boy, and aren't we lucky Holland actually had the nuts to listen to a part-time scout with no prior expierence only 1 year in, or we wouldn't have gotten Lidstrom in that draft. You can hate Holland for the failures post Lidstrom all you want, but that guy was an integral part of building all of the dynasty teams. And was the guy who successfully navigated us into the cap era to win more cups. He's in the HOF because smart folks responsible for that dont base their entire opinion of him on recency bias.

Nobody was convinced on Bertuzzi either, and boy he proved everyone wrong. And Mazur plays the same way. First year in GR and he's already ahead of the more offensive prospects in Kasper, Lombardi, and Soderblom on the score sheet. And he's nipping at Hirose's heels as well. Lowkey our most promising forward in GR.

Holland helped build every wings team from 1985 to 1997. He ran the draft for 10 of those years, and was AGM for 3 of them. Thats like saying Kronwall got handed a cup because Lidstrom was captain.

Correct me if Im wrong on any of this THE FIRST TRIUMVIRATE IS FORMED 1980 - Denise Illitch marries attorney Jim Lites, and Mike Illitch subsequently hires his son in law to be counsel for Little Ceasars. 1982 - Lites assists Mike in purchasing the Detroit Red Wings, where Lites also assumes the role of in house counsel. To run the franchise, Illitch and Lites manage to poach the mastermind behind the Islanders dynasty, Jim Devellano. 1985 - Working together, Lites and Devellano are able to mastermind Petr Klimas defection from the USSR to the USA and the Red Wings. This same year the Wings AHL goalie Ken Holland retires, and Devellano gives him an amatuer scouting position with the Wings. 1987 - Scout Ken Holland is promoted to Director of Amateur Scouting, and the first triumvirate, of Lites, Devellano, and Holland is formed. 1990 - Lites is promoted to VP of Hockey Ops Under these three the Red Wings would draft Lidstrom, Fedorov, Konstantinov, Konstantinov, Kozlov, Lapointe, Osgood, and McCarty, and manage the successful defections of the Russians. A solid portion of the eventual 97 and 98 cup teams. THE SECOND TRIUMVIRATE 1993 - Lites's wife was being a total B, so he divorced that skank. Because she was an Illitch, he decides it's best to find work elsewhere, and is hired by the Dallas Stars to be President and CEO. Thus ending the first triumvirate. But the timing couldn't have been better for this, because Devellano is able to hire living legend Head Coach Scotty Bowman the same year. Thus the second, and the most powerful, triumvirate of Devellano, Holland, and Bowman is formed. 1994 - Holland is promoted to Assistant General Manager, and Jim Nill, a pro scout from the Senators, is poached to replace Holland in Ken's old director roll. 1997 - After winning a cup, Devellano is promoted to President of the Wings org, and Holland becomes the new GM. 1998 - Holland promotes Nill to become his assistant GM. 2002 - Bowman retires from coaching, but stays on with the team in an advisory role. 2003 - Holland and Nill hire Joe Mcdonnell to take on draft duties as the new scouting director. 2005 - Holland and Nill poach coaching prodigy Mike Babcock from the Ducks. 2006 - Steve Yzerman retires and is hired to be the new VP of Hockey Ops. The seond triumvirate captures 4 cups. Including one in 2008 after shrewdly and successfully navigating the team into cap era. And a new future triumvirate is begining to form between the likes of Holland, Nill, Mcdonnell, Babcock and Yzerman. THE BRAIN DRAIN 2009 - Scotty Bowman leaves the team to instead advise his son, the GM of the BlackHawks. 2010 - Steve Yzerman, believing Jim Nill is next in line to run the team when Holland retires, leaves to cut his teeth elsewhere, and becomes GM of Tampa Bay. 2013 - Holland, after talking for years about retiring when Lidstrom does, opts not to. With this, Nill decides to seek promotion elsewhere, and he falls into the arms of former 1st triumvirate star Jim Lites, who hires him to become GM of the Dallas Stars. Jim takes with him to Dallas Scouting director Joe Mcdonnell among several other Detroit scouts. Tyler Wright is hired to replace Mcdonnell. 2015 - Seeing the front office gutted for 4 years and the team on the decline, Babcock decides to leave for the Maple Leafs coaching job. Rookie coach Jeff Blashill is hired to replace him. Suddenly all that remains is an aged Devellano, Holland, and two very green replacements in Blash and Wright. THE FALSE TRIUMVIRATE 2017 - After years of Blashill unable to get results from his veteran roster, Wright unable to replace the vets, and desperation contracts from Holland, the Illitch faimily finally authorizes a rebuild. 2019 - Holland and Chris Illitch orchestrate Yzermans return to manage the Franchise, so that Holland can move to President. However, after this is done, Holland is offered a GM job with an already loaded Oilers team and its too juicy to pass up. He leaves and takes Tyler Wright with him. Holland would fire Wright in Edmonton a few seasons later, as would Yzerman fire Blashill in Detroit.

Osgood only won with Detroit

He drafted Zetterberg and Datsyuk my guy

Friedman says Buffalos 1st is also in play

Utahs naming contest has narrowed it to: Yetis, Mammoth, Outlaws, Venom, Blizzard, and HC

Everywhere he goes he wins

I think you're on to something here

Friedman saying Canes may buyout Kotka

My suspicion was theyre still trying to pry Markstrom out of CGY. Throwing their 1st onto the market to drive up interest may get CGY to finally bite, before Boston trades them Ullmark or something.

Cossa - 2/1B Augustine - 2/1A Edvinsson - 3rd pair/2nd pair ASP - 3rd pair/1st pair Johansson - 7th/2nd pair Buium - 7th/2nd pair Wallinder - 7th/2nd pair Tuomisto - Europe/Europe Gibson - 7th/2nd pair An. Johansson - AHL/3rd pair Cleveland - AHL/3rd pair Danielson - 3rd C/1st C Berggren - 3rd LW/2nd LW Kasper - 4th C/2nd C Mazur - 4th RW/1st RW Lombardi - 3rd/2nd C Buchelnikov - Europe/2 LW Finnie - AHL/3rd C Soderblom - Europe/3rd LW

Kenny will soon have his 5th ring. Does everyone still think hes a terrible GM?

You cant be serious? You think CSS exists to direct teams on who to scout? Wild First off, CSS exists because in the expansion era teams couldnt afford robust scouting depts, or travel. So they created a scouting service to help. Back then rankings were private, but for like the last 30+ years CSS makes all their rankings public, because teams no longer rely on them for scouting needs. They are literally just a central database for the public. Seondly, CSS employs 15 scouts plus part timers. The wings alone have 15 full time amatuer scouts including Draper and Yzerman. And teams start scouting players wayyyyy before CSS does. Teams are scouting players as young as 14 and developing working draft lists for drafts well in the future. If anything CSS and the league likely rely on all 32 teams to give them rough direction on who to scout each year. And rest assured teams omit their gems, steals, and other inside tracks. Lastly, CSS only ranks draft eligble players based on skills (shooting, skating, etc) and how well those skills would translate to the NHL. They do not have meetings with players, coaches, or managers, they do not evaluate things like character, attitudes, potential, growth, practice habits, fitness, playing big in big moments, readiness for pros, on and on and on. Teams know way beyond what you, or I, or analysts, or CSS does.

Then why did 3 teams pass on him?

Yup, I read your post. If you would care to read mine, he was ranked higher than 9 as well. So you're incorrect about Danielson being a reach at 9. See below X4 Euros went ahead of him. Selection bias. Try reading more than 2-3 draft opinions. Pronman is a pretty huge voice in the draft community that you conviently ignored. He had Danny as top 5. If its pick #9, but your next draft target isn't projected to go to till the 2nd round, it makes sense to trade down. If it's pick #9, and your next draft target is ranked 5-16, you take your guy. Make sense?

Meh, I get why he did it. Control/power move to ask for someones personal property and look through it. And it sends the message that Babs is monitoring what the player does in their personal life, and that Babs will find your dirty laundry one way or another (so straighten up). Is it a totally weird thing to do for most people? Absolutely. But that's the other angle to it, besides the message it sends... strange and intusive requests/questions are often employed to size people up. Are you a weak-willed person who is going to immediately submit to something you know crosses the line? Are you someone with strong character who is going to recognize whats happening is unfair and become offended and refuse? Or do you become nervous and meekly refuse, showing you have something to hide? It's the same reason Yzerman was asking draft eligible players weird questions about weed and stuff. Babs/Yzerman don't actually care (unless your dumb enough to reveal something damning) they want to see how you react, to figure out what kind of person/player you are. Babs was mutually terminated for abusing his power to invade a players privacy. But what's lost on many, is that it was meant to test the player, and/or demonstrate his own power, not to see his actual photos.

I also didnt hate zadina if i recall

Agreed. And the hockey community is very tight knit. They all talk to each other, and their evaluations probably dont vary as wildly as some would expect. Seider being a shocker at #6 was a failure by the media community. He was rocketing up team rankings that spring by the sounds of things, because he was recognized late as a German in the DEL, a league that isnt scouted as heavily. Hakan Andersson has said he normally doesnt even leave Sweden till the 2nd half of the season to scout the rest of Europe. IMO It would be beyond foolish to say Yzerman was a genius for selecting Seider at 6. Smart, yes, but genius no. Plenty of other teams with just as capable scouts had witnessed him. And if my dumbazz was able to see a stud in the making, they were able to too. Seider woulda been off the board in the top 10 whether we selected him or not. Media pundits are a great way to get an idea of who to watch, but after that theyre amateurs same as you or I. And frankly, most scouts get it wrong too, so investing anything beyond a fleeting interest in public ranking is clearly regarded.

If had pasted as plain text you would have been none the wiser I had my benis surgically removed years ago for this exact reason. And to kill my sex drive so I could focus on posting.

I had Seider as the best Dman in the 2019 draft, but did not expect him to go to us at 6. McKenzie had him behind Byram, Broberg, and Soderstrom. Pronman had him behind all those guys plus York and Harley. And the bad rankings go on like that... Imagine if SY actually bought into amatuer media hype like Holland did with Zadina... I wanted Simashev last year. He went higher than Danielson but hes been pretty meh in the KHL since. The draft itself is the gamble.

You thought he went early at 9 because you saw him ranked 10-16??? BTW Pronman ranked him as top5 at #5. Recruit scouting at 7. ESPN at 7. Central scouting at 7 (more like 11). Dobber at 12. No one was shocked to see him go at 9. ASP was also ranked very high by some, sometimes in the top 5, but we got him at 17. Make your own list, and take your guy when hes available. Teams dont care what newsbros think. Only time trading down makes sense is if you have a Datsyuk type situation where you know nobody else has ever scouted him. Yzerman already said hes on the roster next season

My bad, the way Kuflan wrote the article I was reading made it sound like this years WJC, but he was talking about the 2021 WJC and this years EHT tournament, which he just called "international", so I assumed he meant worlds. Not even sure what EHT is. Doubtful he ever plays for detroit. I'm just saying stats suggest hes a goal scorer, and he's often described as fast. Hence "AA type"

With former wings coaches at UofM and MSU and WMU, we should have the inside track on every college player in Michigan