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Atlanta's drawing penalties because they're moving their feet and carrying the play.

They're bad, but I don't think they're any worse than any of the California teams' guys. The SJ guys are especially bad.

Ugh... Total defensive lapse...

Wow. Big save there.

Agreed. And welcome to the boards!

Geez. The color commentator for the Atlanta feed is a tool...

Ah Z...

And that's all she wrote...

We started playing better as the period went on, but the last 2 minutes or so were again controlled more by the Preds than the Wings. Glad to see Miller get his first in a Wings uniform. Hopefully the other players get that kind of mentality for the 3rd.

Nice hit Pavs!!

Two good kills in a row. If we can stop taking the dumb penalties, and move our feet to try and draw some ourselves...

Bertuzzi off for hooking.

Delay of game? We're on the PP. Big chance here.

Much better kill.

Closing his hand on the puck? Um... k?

MILLER TIME!! Helluva goal. That's the way we're going to need to play. Drive hard to the net.

November Rain - Guns N' Roses

You Never Even Called Me By My Name - David Allen Coe

Even Flow - Pearl Jam

38 former Red Wings players are currently in the Hall of Fame. If that's your only criteria for number retirement, then we're going to have to start using punctuation marks before too long. 38 HOF'ers, and only 6 of them have a retired number. To me, Yzerman and Lidstrom have set the current standard for jersey retirement. When you compare Yzerman's and Lidstrom's contributions against Fedorov's, then Sergei doesn't measure up. (And I'm not talking just about stats and awards won). If the current standard is those heart and soul, bleed Red Wings Red, exemplary career spent entirely wearing the Winged Wheel, while winning the hearts and minds of the fans. Then no, Fedorov does not meet the standard. Many of the fans still would boo Fedorov when he came back to the Joe. Do you really think Ilitch wants to retire the number of a guy who got booed on a regular occasion after he left? The guy compared leaving Detroit to when he defected from the Soviet Union, for crying out loud. Even if that was all taken out of context, it still leaves a sour taste in many people's mouth. Put all these reasons together, mix in his holdout in '98, sprinkle a little of this article on top, bake at 350 degrees and it all adds up to 91's absence in the rafters, if you ask me.

Wow. If we handled things so poorly, Fedsy, how'd you end up with those three Stanley Cup rings? Seems like things were handled just the way they should have been, if you ask me. But what do I know, right?

Agreed. Though the ref could still call "intent" and nullify the whole play.

Read my post at the top of page 2. The NHL RARELY ever publicly acknowledges that the ref made a mistake. They do discipline the refs, but it's usually all done in-house. The NHL did fire referee Dean Warren last year, claiming "substandard performance". Though, to be fair, there are allegations aplenty that there was more to his firing than that (specifically, his pro-union activities with the NHL Officials Association).

A - I don't disagree at all. I think that rule is sorely in need of changing. We're on the same page here. B - I think you'd see that other teams get the short end of the reffing stick often enough too. Maybe they don't get burned on the same "intent to blow the whistle" rule, but they get their own fair share of blundered calls too. Sometimes these things balance out though. I seem to remember us scoring the series winner against Anaheim in game 7 in much the same fashion as the goal from game 3 that was waived off because of that rule...

That's exactly it. Toronto can't overturn the ref's "intent" to blow the whistle, which is why they couldn't overturn that goal. Toronto reviews every single goal that's scored, and reviews every single close call, etc. I have no doubt that they realize that this was a goal, and should have been a goal. But the ref's intention cannot be overturned, thus no goal. It's a horrible call, of course, but that's the way the rules are in the NHL.