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Nonsense. Like Crymson said.....if anything, Thorne was biased in favor of the Wings. But I doubt either is the case. Thorne was an excellent broadcaster. Simply excellent. Exciteable, but exciteable at the right moments. And his voice is miles better than Emrick's. Anyway, I think the OP's premise is wrong - I don't think Thorne is employed by ESPN any more. Currently Thorne is broadcasting Baltimore Orioles games for the local Maryland station, MASN.

Oh, well let's just close the thread then Part of being Hockeytown is having a good hockey team.

There are 520,000 available seats for a Lions game and 820,000 available seats for a Wings game. Regular season only. Tack on an extra 240,000 for the playoffs, which the Lions never make, and the Wings have over twice as many seats they have to sell as the Lions do. So naturally it's harder to sell out the whole season.

I think the Kwame Brown signing is actually pretty good. For what he actually produces, the money is about right. Take the name off the deal and you're getting a decent bench guy who can give you 10-15 minutes a night of solid big man play, especially in the rebounding department, which he does pretty well. And though it may not be likely, there's always that hope of another miracle reclamation like the Pistons do. Still got Arnie Kander, so at the very least his injuries could be less of a concern.

Hockeytown is a registered trademark of the Detroit Red Wings, and as such, no other team may use it. Whether or not the general public agrees with it is irrelevant. It's something they have to live with. The Wings not selling out all their games is also irrelevant. Should Detroit be nicknamed Footballtown because the Lions haven't failed to sell out Ford Field, ever?

Blame sponsors. Roush isn't just Roush any more, it's Roush-Fenway. Petty had to sell to who-knows-who? Sunoco complains because the Shell logo on Harvick's car is too big....AT&T and Alltel have to leave the sponsorship game thanks to Sprint....it's all about the sponsors.

NASCAR knows good and well about the diamond-grinding. Not the track's fault, and NASCAR needs a race at Indy more than Indy needs NASCAR, so NASCAR will just have to find a way around it. Tony Stewart did more than "mention" the earlier tire issues, he bitched loud and clear about them Of course, had Goodyear not provided the tires they did at Atlanta (the tires and race Stewart was talking about) then Atlanta would have been a race just like the Brickyard one. Goodyear's just going to have to come up with a better tire for Indy. I don't think there's much NASCAR can do about it, other than maybe fiddle with the downforce on the car so that the rubber will adhere better to track and not just pile up dust in the corners. I think the only thing NASCAR could have done better (although it's a biggie) is to let 'em race. For one thing, strategy would actually come into play, and for another, it might actually have been a real good race, because drivers would be way cautious, trying not to drive the wheels off the car (literally), and it might more closely resemble Daytona than a cookie-cutter tri-oval. They'd have gotten their cautions whenever another right rear exploded. This is more a personal thing, because I think the drivers would hate my point of view, but I see nothing wrong with a race decided on pit strategy and who was lucky enough not to get collected in someone's tire explosion. It can't be any worse than a race decided by whoever's pit crew is fastest in between 8-lap runs of green.

"either" nothing...... his posts almost always looked like this with multiple in there for good measure. Was weird but funny Yes....to clarify....I like the thread just for the use of the hyphen. I hate when people post "Lidstrom resigns!!!" and get all scared til I realize they mean just the opposite: "re-signs."

Well.....it's not really a myth. A pound of feathers is the same as a pound of bricks, yes, but you wouldn't say "feathers weigh the same as bricks." Muscle is still heavier. However, because it's heavier and denser than fat, it takes A LOT more work to add a pound of muscle than to burn off a pound of fat.

OK, who watched the Brickyard race today? Curious to hear people's thoughts on that. Mine: People are saying it was a terrible race, and it was. The tires made things hard. But I thought NASCAR made it a LOT worse with all the competition cautions. I could understand the first couple - make people get an idea of what the tires look like, since practice showed the track was going to eat up tires pretty quick. And obviously, safety is paramount. But these are friggin' safe cars, as evidenced by Kenseth's blowout. That car looked like it got hit with a rocket launcher after his tire asploded, and yet he pulled into the garage and 20 minutes later came out with a new quarter panel made of fairy dust, the wishes of sick children, and copious amounts of duct tape. And finished the race! If that blowout didn't kill the driver, no blowout will. NASCAR should have let them race and let some damn strategy come into play instead of calling it a "fastest pit crew wins" race.

Oh, I always have leftovers to pop in the fridge. I certainly don't throw out what I don't eat. They're usually good for a meal or two each. But that doesn't stretch the whole week.

I'll try the daily plate for a week and see what happens. The processed foods are gonna have to stay, though. By the time I get home from working out, it's usually at least quarter to six and I don't want to spend a lot of time in the evening cooking. I cook for myself on the weekends and the problem is, the microwave dinners are MUCH easier to control the portions with. For example, last night I cooked up sloppy joes using a little less than a pound and a quarter of beef, and ate at least half of them. (Oops I was hungry.)

Big fat GillyFO ( style) to this thread for no other reason than pointing out the difference between quitting and signing a new contract

Of course, it was on Zumaya's watch that the Sox scored half their runs......

WTF man. Let's recap my mostly fruitless efforts here: - I haven't gone to a fast food joint in well over a month. - I've stopped drinking pop almost entirely. - I don't snack. - I've cut my breakfast size in half. (One bowl of cereal instead of two.) - I don't eat a large lunch. Generally a sandwich, milk, and cookie. (Milk replaces the pop I used to drink at lunch.) - I don't eat a large dinner. More days than not, it's some microwave stuff. Box says like maybe 350 calories. - I do 40 solid minutes on the treadmill, 4 times a week, and every day 30-45 minutes of various weightlifting, calisthenics, and other such exercises. On the plus side the weightlifting is paying off in lifting more weight. That's cool and all, but.....in about ten weeks I have not lost a damn pound, nor has there been any long-term noticeable difference in my waist size. It's not like I'm beset with anorexia and have nothing left to lose....when you're 5'7", 190, there is A LOT to lose. I haven't used the DailyPlate site....maybe I should....but based on the nutrition info, I figure I get about 700 calories each from breakfast and dinner. So, 2100 calories a day, maybe. I should be able to burn that much just sitting on my ass for 24 hours. Take away the 500 or so calories burned on a 40 minute run and, I dunno, another 250-300 on the exercises afterwards? I ought to be losing weight like gangbusters. So either the folks who print up the nutrition info are lying sacks of s***, or that's a 2000 calorie tuna melt I'm eating for lunch. I swear I'm gonna go on a celery-and-grapefruit diet or something.

Collusion is the owners getting together and making secret agreements like saying "none of us will ever offer a contract higher than $5 million a year" or "nobody will hire Ted Nolan." What the OP asked about is illegal, but it's not collusion.

I'm jealous. I love the Grand Prix. My dad used to take me downtown when they held the race there - we'd watch from his office or walk around. Later when it was on Belle Isle, my Scout troop volunteered to empty all the pop and beer can baskets at all the sponsor tents - we'd ride around in golf carts and replace the bags and collect the empties. In exchange we got all the deposit returns and free admission to any of the tents and grandstands. Don't know what to tell you about where to sit....it's kind of a personal preference. Sometimes we'd just hang out on the grass away from the grandstands; a lot of times, that was a better viewpoint, depending on where. Where Packer's talking about sitting, at the end of the main straight, offers a really nice view of the city over the top of the track. I consider that a bonus. Keep in mind you can't drive straight to Belle Isle any more. You have to take a shuttle which leaves from downtown or a couple of places in the burbs.

Your numbers are a little screwy (Boston is in New England and if you meant the Pats, they're really only about 45 minutes from Boston.) But I always thought the same about this thing......if Boston gets to include the Patriots, which are closer to Providence than Boston, then Detroit should get to include Ann Arbor and the championships won by U-M. Take away Foxborough and the Boston case is suddenly very weak.

The patch is from 1944, I'm no expert, but I think it probably has very little to do with the WC.

After winning the Cup he probably felt like he could jump to the moon and s*** rainbows. Let's hold off on using Cup-celebration predictions as gospel truth. I strongly doubt Zetterberg and Datsyuk will be split up for any significant time.

Actually it's been about 70 years since the Yankees wore anything different than what they wear now. And if you want to use the Tigers as an example, great. The Tigers are one of the very few teams in baseball that has NEVER worn anything other than the home whites or road grays. Most baseball teams have a colored third; some have fourths and multiple variations. The Tigers, along with the Yankees and Dodgers (and I think that's it) don't have one.

Possibly. But I actually think it'd be more likely that they stay split up and the vacant spot is filled by someone else. This is just my impression, but I felt like Babcock really wanted to keep the Eurotwins split up to energize some production out of more players. He kept trying to, at any rate. Couldn't do it though because they were so much more productive together than apart. So it's my opinion he'd go back to that, and keep Hossa on a different line from the healthy Eurotwin if (god forbid) one is hurt.

No way all three of 'em top 100. I especially don't think Hossa will. Not on the second line, and if we ever see all three on the ice at the same time it'll be on a desperation power play. My prediction from earlier stands: The only way Zetterberg or Datsyuk top 100 points is if both of them are healthy all season long. Even then it might be more like 90-95 for one or both. But if one gets hurt, neither are hitting 100.

Minnesota and Massachusetts and possibly New York would be equal to or better than Michigan, I imagine. Oh, and you forgot Brian Rolston

Regarding the proposed Chicago throwback: Ewwwwwwww. I don't know if those are black jerseys with a lot of red and white striping, or red jerseys with white stripes and black sleeves and shoulders.