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Eklund did not say this, it was another website

Pass...another regular season performer who's prone to scoring droughts...to disappear in the playoffs. Why are these the guys we end up with?

I can be specific. He said we're going to get "4-8 new faces", we're going to be "trading away some skaters, and changes need to be made". He also said they're going after a goalie, I doubt he meant Hasek and Belfour. Holland fan, Nick Lidstrom took a a paycut after winning the Norris Trophy, Brendan Shanahan is looking to get a raise after 3 straight playoff flops, justify that! Out of his 40 goals, 40% were against weak sisters like Chicago, St Louis and Columbus, he's also known to take parts of the season off and his playoff record is abysmal. Ask Lamoriello what? Lou has won 3 cups by building each team himself, he didn't have the luxury of an $80mm+ payroll either, he did it through drafts and trading, Holland was GM for 2 of those Cups, but he inherited a solid roster with the core all set. You have no idea what people in the business think of Holland, none at all, a lot of GMs are jealous of the great owner he works for, one that will always want to field a winner and spend what it takes, it seems a lot of GMs blame him for the need to even have a cap in the first place...sour grapes? Sure, but don't tell me they all respect Holland. As for not winning it every year? True, but 3 playoff flops, by lower seeded teams? Fact is this team has gambled away it's future to trade for guys because they want to win the Cup now! They charge the highest ticket prices because they want to field a team who competes for the Cup every year. They spend the most money for the same reason . As for your comments about signing guys like Hinote, when I hear that Holland wants more grit and muscle, then I hear that guys like Barnaby are signing for 650k and guys like Guerin are signing for $2mm/yr, or a guy like Keith Carney for 2mm+, I wonder what Holland is thinking about. Show me a post where I sat and cursed Holland for missing a certain UFA, you can't, my point is that there are UFAs that were available and could've been had for cheap, but tHolland is not engaged until he finds out what Shanny's doing? Does that sound like a plan? Where's the plan B? Imagine how hard it'll be to trade for some scoring, it sure as hell ain't easy to trade for a goalie. If all they're looking for is a fourth line grinder, and a physial defensman then what are they waiting for? Trade? I doubt that because Holland has yet to make a significant trade. Face it, the guy, so far, has not shown he can work in the new CBA, he's done nothing to give fans hope things will be diferent. Again, it's unbelievable to me that a guy can tell a Norris Trophy winner to accept less, then offer a raise to Shanahan for his playoff flops and his disappearing acts over the season.

Hey, Ilitch thought Randy Smith was a great GM also, tell me how that turned out? There were players to be had and grit to be signed, and Holland crapped his pants. Tell me why Lidstrom took a paycut to sign an Ed Belfour? Where are the changes promised? Other GMs are finding ways to maneuvor around the cap and do it well, Holland can't. Sorry, I have no faith in Holland, and it seems as though when you analyze his record, you can't justify the need to have any

Let's see who we missed out on... Barnaby 1 yr 625k Guerin 1 yr 2mm (plus incentives) Carney 2yrs/4.2mm (2.1mm/yr) I understand the need to not join the bidding for the upper echelon of UFAs, but if you're trying to get more gritty guys, they can be had for cheap. Just shows Holland has NO IDEA how to operate in this new CBA...None

Bad playoffs for 3 yrs IN A ROW!!!!!!! This isn't some new phenomenon here. Shanahan should do the Wings a favor and sign elsewhere, save Ken Holland from himself because he clearly has no idea how to cut ties, if he signs for the $4mm/yr, he'll handicap the franchise.

If the 3 of them stood on each others shoulders, they'd barely break 6 ft tall

Samsonov? Another playof mia type? Another soft forward? We need to get bigger first, then you can add guys like Samsonov

That's cool, I think there's some truth to it, I'm sure the Wings have a plan B if Shanahan wasn't going to sign. Guerin is perfect for that. As for Belfour, I don't like that too much but they must be thinking that he'll come cheap, he can share duties with Osgood, and by that time Howard will be ready or you go back into the UFA mkt or see what's available at the deadline. I'm not justifying Belfour here, just playing "devil's advocate" and poking the mindset of the Wings brass.

Cam, No offense, but weren't you the same guy who said Dougie Weight wants to come back to Detroit badly? How do you know this stuff? And how would they share this stuff?

Future Wings D-Men? C'mon you guys know Holland Chelios Lilja Schneider

Heaton loves Witt...thinks he's the most underated guy out there and wonders why he's not discussed more on this board....lol! I'd go after Witt...but that's me, reasonable minds can differ

We offer: Robert Lang/Jason Williams/draft pick WE receive: Garth Murray/Mike Komisarek/Richard Zednik

If you believe the rumors, Holland was shopping Lang right up to the trade deadline. So I think Holland would be very open to trading Lang

LOl! I figured there was a lot of info out there about our other picks, I thought this was neat to hear what someone who actually played with him had to say...good stuff

Me neither

I got an idea.... Joey Macdonald/Hudler/Lilja/Maltby for Iginla

I've heard the same and think you're right

He's a ufa...love the kid. Discuss your thoughts on him

Yeah, you're right, let's keep the same team as last year.

Toronto will pay it, they need a defenseman in the now likelihood McCabe walks

The only issue I have for Detroit paying up for a goalie is that Holland may then say "we're done" can't afford any more upgrades and roll the dice with what they have plus the new goalie. I can actually see that happening

Barnsey- I for one love O'Brien. He's big and mean, where do the Ducks find these guys?? For me a successful summer will be either Salei or Witt and a Sarich on defense (Or similiar type guys) a Bootland/ Kopecky reunion in the NHL, another physical forward and a speedy winger. I'm not as crazy about overpaying for a goalie as others, I think that if the Wings had a few big defensmen who tied up forwards in front of the net, and gave opposing forwards sonething to think about, they can get by with decent cheaper goaltending. I'd prefer to see a Howard step up in TC, I'm not sold on any of the goalies out there

http://www.mlive.com/weblogs/snapshots/ind..._05.html#139905 Probably been discussed, let me go on record as saying I like this move. The Wings save money, they get a speedy winger for Datsyuk finally also. Everyone brings up how we'll lose out on Lang's size, true, but he doesn't really use it anyways. We can find a 3rd line center with size (Bell anyone?). Make the trade, maybe even throw in some prospects or picks and get Souray or Rivet..thoughts?

How about Cleary and Williams for Lecavalier? You know those are coming