RedWingAbner

Well, there ya go. But what about players who score more than .67 PPG but make less than the figures we are talking about? Haha, kidding. I'll concede that point. However, I think that if we are going to pay him to be top-6, play him (consistently) in the top-6 so he can show what he can do a bit more. Nice work.

I think you're right there. However, we didn't sign Franzen to a 5 year, $15 M contract when he was averaging 28 pts per year. Anyway, gtg for now, so I'll see what you guys cook up for later.

Obviously not the same player.......but do you remember how good Boyd Devereaux was progressing? Then it was injuries (the wrist) and depth problems. At what point (and I am being sincere) does a guy stop progressing and settle into his top form?

You are right. I did start that line of insult. It just seemed that you were relying on prefacing my stupidity and ignorance in every post.

I urge you to stop. You are going to get Finnish Wing to give you a homework assignment.

Oh, certainly. Val is a much better deal than Kotalik, hands down. Much better than quite a few guys in the league at that salary; much lower as well. But Kotalik? No question Flip is better.

It's not backpeddling to concede what may be true. It's called debate. Then again, I guess I am just 100% wrong in everything I've said, and if I give an inch, I must be relenting. This isn't trench warfare. Again I say, Filppula is not a bad player. BTW, I bolded that section so you could save yourself the trouble in your next post. Wouldn't want to take away from your wit with silly things like that.

Sure, Sarah Palin. Those are certainly facts. Making a projection of what you want to have happen and then saying "that's a fact" is foolproof. Don't take things so personally. Why do you keep reverting to name-calling? I'll give it back, but come on man, this is just a fan forum. Just making conversation.

About as much as I love guys who stay above it all by just being the little pomerianian barking at my feet rather than trying to infuse something meaningful. If you are so convinced, you do the math. Or can you not be bothered as well? Oh yeah, it's not your thread.....so I guess I'm obligated to refute every statistic?

I'm not saying that they are, necessarily. You aren't giving up on the fact that they must be right. No big deal.

That kind of logic is not tolerated in this thread. Good day to you sir.

What Franzen argument DIDN'T prove my point? Franzen is well worth the money because we don't have to dream of his potential while paying him. I've combatted all of the stupidity on here. I think that I've done fine, others disagree, some agree. I'm fine with that. I'm ready to move on. Neither of us are going to convince each other, and again, that's fine by me. Just because you think your point is amazing doesn't make it right (both ways).

Prove me wrong. I'm not wasting my time on that crap because I know that $3M is too much for a 3rd-line center.

Yep, I'm scared.....or I have a life. Why the hell would I do that when you want it to prove your point? If you are so convinced, you do it. Otherwise, I am fine knowing that it's a stupid point to try to make by asking if "I'm scared."

I can't argue with the fact that Mike Babcock sees him every day. I am sure the scouts that looked at Daigle saw him quite a bit too. It doesn't mean they can't be wrong. Again, I am not saying he's not a good player, and I think that people are missing that. He's just a 3rd liner making too much money.

So, if one doesn't have a mancrush on Filppula, at what point is he overpaid? Is it not possible to do this with Filppula?

Really? I'm the dumb one, but you are saying "herd mentality" is sound economic reasoning? The market dictates a price, but we can universally say when a guy is overpaid (see Campbell, Brian) and signing him doesn't make sense just because "the market dictates." Good thing Ken Holland doesn't generally do that, or the "market value" of Marian Hossa at 10 years and 90 million would still be holding us down.

I read your post. He's played 29 games. Still not quite enough for me to say he's gonna meet projection. The season may be two-thirds over, but he's played in under half of the games. A center for $3 mill? How about Ryan Kesler at $1.75? He's already topped Val's career high point total. Generally, not sure. What's a $6 M defenseman? Is it Wade Redden? Brian Rafalski? I doubt it. They are paid that much though, and most people realize it's too much.....like I do with Flip. In a cap world, even $1M more than deserving can screw up your team's chances. I guess I didn't really answer your question. Remember when Zetterberg was making like $2.9 per season and scoring 60-70 points? He played sound defense and I don't remember thinking, "Man, we are overpaying this guy" or "His salary will be justified when he reaches his potential."

Yep, keep providing quotes, because a coach/GM can't be wrong. How's Alexandre Daigle doing? What about Matthias Weinhandl (in the NHL)?

I'm sure there are articles about the greatness of Eric Lindros or the fine postseason play of Steve Duchesne in 2002. That doesn't mean anything now.

The point is, it's an inexact science. It's about opinion. But yeah, I see your point.....if everyone else is overpaying for 3rd liners, then yeah, it's worth it? No thanks. The Rangers can keep Drury (at least his play this year), the Leafs can enjoy Jeff Finger, etc.

Not every player is overpaid, but some. Regarding production-- it depends on the position. For instance, Nik Kronwall=generally underpaid, considering what he brings to the table as an offensive, physical defenseman. As a 3rd liner who puts up 40 points and plays good d.....that's a Kris Draper in his prime. Don't remember ever paying him much above $2, $2.5 M. I keep bringing up Leino because we keep doing the "he's projected to" thing. Projections don't mean much. Let's see him produce over the course of a season. Or 3.....in which he averages 31 points.

You may be right, he may stay in the KHL. That's beside the point.

So.......at what point was he a steal/is he going to be one? He is is being paid just like 88 other guys. That doesn't mean they aren't overpaid.

What are you, his girl? You are being just as stubborn as I am. Until Filppula (or any player, really) shows that he can produce over a season, projections mean nothing. Unless that means that Ville Leino, based on last year, is bound for greatness over an 82 game season....woops....doesn't work that way. I'd love for Filppula to prove me wrong. I just don't think he will. If he does, I will start a thread called "Filppula proves me wrong." I just don't "project" that will happen, based on the fact he's topped out at 40 points as a career high.