RedWingAbner

No. Are you that short-sighted that a GM spending his time working out a minor-leaguer trade that has no impact on his team (which is supposedly trying to make the playoffs) doesn't aggravate you?

Oh yeah Kenny! Jordan Owens! Go f*** yourself Holland.

If you are Ken Holland, yes. Trying to do anything else is too hard.

Walker for a 7th! Thank GOD we have Kenny hanging on to those 7th round picks to rebuild this team! YESSSSSSSS!

People who follow a team tend to see the bad moreso than the good. Every player that gets dealt has people who hate him. Lebda is better than some things other teams have. For instance, veneral disease. He is much better than VD.

To some, you can't be a fan of the Red Wings and question the braintrust. Sometimes I have to trust that Holland has a brain. Ba-dum-pish.

Excellent. You, Shanahanman and I can start the fire Hol..... I've said too much already.

I am surprised that the "Ken Holland obviously knows more about hockey than you" argument hasn't been trotted out yet today.

Just to clarify--as I agree that we need something--was that a rhetorical "look north" or specifically directed at me?

1. Ken Holland put this team up against the cap. gimme cheap top6 forwards, right? 2. There are players on this team that can be/should be moved. to where????? kill them?? Who wants your "overpaid-underperforming" players??? 3. Do or do not, there is no try. do you know what is happening behind the scenes??? sigh. So, even though you don't know what is going on behind the scenes, I'm wrong for saying there's nothing? Sigh yourself. That logic doesn't work. I "almost" took chemistry in college, I don't get credit for thinking about it, and neither does our GM. Regarding cheap forwards--um, maybe they wouldn't be necessary if we didn't throw $1.5 million at guys like Jason Williams? Maybe we could add a guy with a higher salary? Ahh. Players that could be moved? I think we have some pieces that we could move, for sure. Lebda, Filppula, Williams, Meech, Ericsson (in the right move). Not saying "MOVE THEM NOW" but players that could be moved for moderate other pieces.

Oh! I didn't know we were using our 2008-2009 rosters. Wait, scratch that! I didn't know we had Team Canada's roster! We WILL be fine!

I agree. If you can move Lebda and add a forward, it's addition by subtraction. Maybe we can put a jersey on a roomba and have it take his place. More mobile, we could put up an artificial wall to keep it where it is supposed to be, and it would suck less.

I think the majority of his time is spent thinking about ways to cover for not doing his job. "We want to replenish our picks and prospects of the last 15 years." Really? Because the Wings haven't mortgaged the future by any stretch. This seems like a cop-out. "In our league, if you get into the playoffs, you can make a run." Wow! This would lead me to believe you try to do something, Kenny! But wait.... "We're just not in a position to add something this year. Maybe next year." Oh, I see. You are fighting for the playoffs in a revenue-dependent situation, but let's not add a forward for some depth and hope that your f**k up roster moves that have put us against the cap with an 8th place team suddenly look good. I'm sorry, I am always bitter when the Wings don't address needs, but I always end up hating Ken Holland on deadline day.

Ken Holland-- "Ideally, I'd like to be as inactive as possible." Nice. Go ahead and make plans for April, May, June vacations guys.

Ken Holland is coming up on TSN. Anxiously awaiting "we are standing pat" announcement.

Oh, ok then. Salary cap means that teams can't improve. 1. Ken Holland put this team up against the cap. 2. There are players on this team that can be/should be moved. 3. Do or do not, there is no try.

My friend, the problem is, people don't realize there are many pieces involved in a championship team. The Wings success=Ken Holland to many people. The reality is, he's a mediocre GM who has benefitted from an amazing scouting department. Does that mean he's bad? Nah. But how many times has he actually been creative in getting things done? Hossa? Sure, that was nice, but he can't (typically) pull off much more than a scrub or prospect for 3rd liner/7th defenseman. He's too afraid. I give him credit for perhaps having an out of body experience in 2008 with the Stuart addition. You know what was strange about that? The Wings had a need (defense) and he went out and got what we needed. How often do the Wings need a defensman and we end up with Cory Cross, or Todd Gill (part 2), or Jiri Slegr etc? How often to we address the need for a forward by adding Kyle Calder? He's just not that into this...lol

I would like to thank Ken Holland for signing Jason Williams to a $1.5 million deal. That $1.5 million under the cap would be about $5 million annual salary today that we could take on. But thanks for Jason Williams, Kenny. Hopefully Hakan Andersson can bail you out again with a European find.

I think the more likely pickup is Afinogenov. GMs always have favorite trade partners (see the Rangers-Coyotes love affair) and Waddell is a former Wings employee. Not that he'll gift him to us, but I think it's possible to get him. Lebda + 2nd for Afinogenov? Deal.

Holland was GM starting in 1998. The Cup in 1997 was under Bowman's watch. In 1998, it was still the Bowman team. Holland added Dmitri Mironov and Jamie Macoun. Nice, but not much credit for doing it with someone else's team. In 2002, he added some $20 mill in salary with Hull, Robitaille, Hasek, Olausson....not taking away that accomplishment, but adding that talent was not something each team could do--not exactly forcing him to make tough decisions. In 2008, that was really the year you could argue he was THE guy in assembling the team-- but many players-- Holmstrom, Samuelsson, Lidstrom, Franzen, Zetterberg, Datsyuk-- were Hakan Andersson finds that Holland drafted/signed. He did add Brad Stuart, and that was a good move. To say that it's "all Holland" or that people shouldn't question him is silly. He's not a god. He's the GM of a team which has been very good for a long time-- he didn't assemble it, he's just (tried to) maintain it, and this year, it's obvious that he's not perfect.

I heard that Holland is spending today preparing his laurels for a nice, restful day tomorrow. This team obviously needs help, but Holland likes to tout his off-season moves as his "deadline" and always, ALWAYS trots out the "we just got X player back. That's our deadline." Listen, Holland is a good GM, but sometimes he sits back too much imo. I think being the GM of the Wings is actually an easier gig than most teams-- Hakan Andersson provides the players, and he's inherited some superstars over the past few years as GM (98-onward). Not bad for a former western scout whose claim to fame is finding Joey Kocur.

I said there were inconsistencies. I don't think it made the difference in the game, and I don't think the majority on here are saying as much. Canada should've won that game, they did, but there were some officiating inconsistencies. I was surprised that the US was even IN that game. I don't think it's an accusation that anyone (ref-wise) was biased, just an observation. Regarding the luger, it's like saying that the people at Sea World didn't intend for that trainer to get killed. Yeah, but you kept a whale that killed twice before. Likewise-- why have a track that was, by all accounts, THAT DANGEROUS. It was a mistake.

Wow. Congrats on setting the record for most uses of "******" in a post. BTW, your country should be held accountable (or at least the officials) for that track. Ignoring it is just stupid. They called that turn the 50/50 turn because, literally, 50% of sledders made it....and 50% crashed. One died. Horrible, horrible, regrettable thing-- and why was the course that fast? Oh yeah, any question of it is obviously anti-Canadian. I guess being a 2nd tier country gives you an inferiority complex that makes you lash out.

It's been said here before, but this has boiled down to: 1) Canadians think the reffing was awesome 2) Americans aren't bitching, but point out a few inconsistencies 3) Canadians think that any criticism of the officiating is "bitching" First off--I agree, to a certain extent, with some things here. Luongo had the benefit of a very quick whistle vs. what Miller was getting. On both sides, calls were missed, but the missed calls favored Canada slightly. What I find funny about this is that Canadians act like they've accomplished something. My wife and I have had this discussion multiple times throughout the games--- what the hell is wrong with Canada and these games? If there is anything that I will take away from this, it's that the Canucks built a (literally) killer luge track for the sole purpose of saying it was the world's fastest (and don't try to argue that, what other course would have a curve that killed a guy and was referred to as a 50/50 curve for those who didn't die). In hockey, I've never seen a more arrogant bunch with so little to be proud of. Congrats. You had a team of all-stars that BARELY sqeaked out a win playing trap hockey against 2nd-tier NHLers. And yet, the phrase "we won" is something that we "need to get over, blah blah blah." Sidney Crosby is the new face of Canadian hockey, and the fans reflect it.

I'm sure that several teams were happy with his play, as it kept them in games. He scored....yes. But his defensive play was atrocious, as always. Quite a few goals were Brian Rafalski's man completely confusing him as he attempted to do whatever he is doing out there.