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Do you even read a post before bitching about it? I said at the time of the draft I felt they should draft a D. They would have drafted the one they ranked highest of the D available. I'd have gone Dobson/Bouchard over Hughes (personally) that much you got right. Dobson is a playing quite well and making a push for back to back Mem cups. I've not paid any attention to Hughes or Bouchard since the draft. Hull, Marner and Kucherov are star players (wingers)... that's the link (clearly you missed it)... I don't think Zadina will be a star winger... I think he'll be a serviceable top 6/9 winger.

Wow great point... I'm totally won over... if you can't post anything other than insults towards those you disagree with, you're not worth talking to.

Yes in my opinion Zadina will be a player of the caliber you could draft in the 2nd or 3rd round... that isn't BS it's my projection. I think you heed to go back and look at players selected in past drafts, your argument is incoherent. Many people here feel he's going to be elite, elite... and I've read on numerous occasions that Kucherov didn't have an easy start to his NA pro career, which IS comparing Zadina to Kucherov.

@krsmith17 @ChristopherReevesLegs Inflammatory rhetoric/hyperbole aside... 1. I saw alot of Zadina in Jr. I observed a one dimensional player who sacrificed defence and his responsibilities defensively for offence. I did not think his game would translate well to the pro leagues. I stand by that assessment 100% and his numbers this year back that up. Will he learn a more complete game maybe?? Will he lose offence in the process almost certainly. 2. In the lead up to the draft I was terrified we'd have Zadina "fall into our lap" I felt the Wings would draft him and that it would be a huge mistake (see above). I believe we should have used that pick on Dobson, Bouchard or Hughes... whichever we felt was the better pick. We'd fill the most prominent need in our organization.... a need that has existed since Lidstrom retired. 3. I think people who are expecting the next Brett Hull, Mitch Marner, etc will be very, bitterly disappointed. I agree with @ChristopherReevesLegs assessment that Zadina will play in the league, he'll be a top 6/9 forward but will fill role that a player we could have drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round would have. 4. I think Zadina will be a bust relative to the expectations we have of a #6 pick with all the attached hype hes had. If you were hoping for a one dimensional, defensive liability, who may or may not put up points you'll be satisfied and won't use the bust label. If you're expecting Kucherov 2.0, it's not happening. Juxtaposing that vs a potential #1 top pair D, I think we wasted that pick last year. ‐----‐‐----‐-------------------- If Byram was available at 4, would you trade for that pick? What would you give up? I'd trade #6, 2019 2nd and a 2020 2nd. I'd be willing to go as far as #6 plus a lottery protected 1st in 2020/2021

GFYS

I'm not a moron.... I dont appreciate being called a moron. And you can go FYS...

Floor: Helm Prime Ceiling: Nyquist Prime Even if he reaches what I consider his ceiling their would have been better options at 6. Its not stupid it's a reasonable concern based on a less than stellar season (that's a kind description). Calling someone stupid because you don't agree with them is childish.

Baiting/Bullying at its best.

CRL please don't make valid points, please allow for revisionist rhetoric vis-a-vis Zadina... please note that if the 6th (former projected top 3) pick tops out as a Tatar (60th) or Nyquist (121st) type player that isn't a bust. These are the rules... If you don't follow them you run the risk of being bullied and called a troll.

Semantics. Hype > Zagina

Yuck it up... but I stand by my assessment. Depending on what's there at 6, this would be a year to trade back. Unlike last year with many attractive options and the player we ultimately drafted.... this year the cream of the crop will be gone by 6. I'd be open to trading back and grabbing an extra couple of 2nds. I think the player you get at 10-15 has every chance to be as good or better than the player at 6.

Yes you are. Dithering shouldn't be confused with level headedness.

You are a troll.

You're calling me stupid, calling out grammar and I'm the troll... good talk.

Krsmith17 try reading a post before you reply... I said an extended Trouba. Your response also ignores my POV that Zagina isn't our top prospect... I'd put Cholo and Veleno well ahead of him. You're splitting hairs on the complementary non-sense... they are obviously going to publicly comment positively what clearly are the deficiencies in his game... I'd say after seeing him day in and day out their is a case of buyers remorse... and if not their should be. No.

Montreal drafted coca-cola last year apparently for need... but maybe they saw what I see. Complementing a young player that's faltering is more about building confidence than providing an honest assessment. Would you expect Holland to have said we wish we'd have drafted Bouchard? What would that accomplish ot would destroy any confidence Zagina had and rendered his trade value nill. On that note if Winnipeg hasn't clued in I'd ship Zagina there for an extended Trouba in a nanosecond.

Dropping like a stone isn't a warning sign?? Opting to take a one-dimensional winger, who is the 1st round version of Martin Frk was a bad decision, especially when this team desperately needs as many top of the draft defensive prospects as possible.

That was of course a bit of hyperbole, but I have no expectations of Zagina being an impactful player for us. It was a bad pick and all the waning signs were there... we should have drafted for our needs ie. The best available defenceman.

Since that won't happen, I'm willing to chance it... it's just as likely he'll be playing the the Czech beer leagues by then.

Worst case would be taking a one-dimensional player who is free falling in the draft and thinking you got a steal. AKA. A repeat of the 2018 draft.

Could be worse, he could be a Yank.

Years??? His name will be mud by Christmas. Fans will expect him to come in and fix that disaster right away. Which is unreasonable and impossible.

Apparently Holland to the Oilers is still in play... https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oilers-next-gm-will-ken-holland-wants-job/

The problem is a player like Abby, Helm etc shouldn't be paid market value (by us)... if you have a player that can be replaced or mostly replaced for less money you have to let those roster filler types go get paid "market value" somewher else.

It's time to bury one or both of those guys in the AHL and forget they exist (other than the majority of their cap hit)... they may not like it but it's a performance based business. Effective **