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In 1988 Bob Probert set the Red Wings franchise record for playoff points in a single season with 21. That record wasn't broken until 1995 when Fedorov scored 24 points (Yzerman tied the record in '98 with 24 of his own)

Kopecky is a good one I didn't think of. He used to frustrate the hell out of me when in Detroit, then I've been baffled by his good fortune ever since. He is the Homer Simpson of the hockey world, stumbling into one great situation after another in spite of his mediocrity.

I'll make it easy for you. Here's a few excerpts from just the last few pages of the thread. You even quoted this post:

I don't know enough about the actual financials but a few sources have made reference to owners running the team at a loss while making a killing on their arena. That's what makes things even harder to sort out because accounting at this level gets murky quickly. And the goal is to make money, which isn't the same as looking like you're turning a profit, because that you have to pay taxes on.

It will depend greatly on if that waltz gives his partner time to realize he's even being asked to dance.

First, there won't be a strike, there will be a lockout. The players have made pretty clear they're willing to play while negotiating. Second, when did I say it's all on one side if there's a lockout? I've said repeatedly that there's blame on both sides but I hold the owners more responsible, yet you repeatedly try to make it sound as if I'm saying it's all on the owners. There's obviously blame on both sides. (How many times have I said that now??) Right now I blame the owners more than the players. I would also argue that the NHLPA does see the problem, but they need to negotiate their position to one more favorable for the owners. However, that can't happen when the owners aren't even acknowledging the actual problem and instead just want to further restrict player salaries and are standing by their idiotic proposal. As for who the current cba favors more, I don't think it's that simple. If I had to pick I'd say the it favors players and rich franchises more than it does small franchises.

Context is everything. The pre-cap world was definitely favorable to players. They got actual market value contracts. Now the players salaries are tied to league revenue, so compared to that, it's a lot less favorable. The cap has gone up by leaps and bounds because revenue has gone up by leaps and bounds. Compared to the pre-cap era, the current CBA is highly favorable to owners. They've successfully linked their biggest cost to how much revenue they generate. You act as if that somehow only makes players rich and not owners. I stopped reading after that part. If you expect me to read your lengthy response and give fair consideration to your points, maybe don't lead with saying I'm smoking crack because of what I think.

like I said, it's just some bitter blogger for the Wild. it could be centcougar for all we know. Most of the comments seem to be about teams he clearly disdains and hopes will fail. One of the other guy responds saying you can never count the Wings out.

How do the economics of the current deal favor the players? compared to what, the insane offer the NHL made? And exactly how is Fehr lollygagging? He is traveling meeting with his constituents. What exactly is Gary doing? Fehr made it clear he would be speaking to Bettman by phone before their next meeting. Odd how you only mention Fehr. Players made the massive concession of agreeing to a cap and linking their salaries to something they have absolutely no say or control over, league revenues. Some comments from Fehr state it pretty clearly. http://www.sbnation....pa-lockout-2012 The section I bolded states it most succinctly. The NHL keeps throwing around the phrase partnership, but it's ignoring that they only mean financial partnership, not any equal share in decisionmaking or control. You can keep trying to say its both sides and throw mud at the union, but to me it's pretty obvious the owners are the ones most responsible for this impasse and impending lockout. And to be clear I'm not saying a deal can't be done. That's what's infuriating. This should be the easiest CBA negotiation of all. But the owners ridiculous proposal and crap about partnering with players is the biggest problem. They're not even looking at the issue correctly. They want to fix the disparity among franchises by taking more from players. EDIT: forgot to include link.

What's funny is the original tweet is actually referring to a comment made by a blogger for the Wild. It's just a little feature they've been doing where they'll discuss various topics with bloggers from other markets. The Wild blogger is apparently still enjoying the Suter signing and declares the Wings dead. The Kings twitter is usually pretty entertaining but they missed the mark chirping the Wings on this one. Especially with the "since last won the Cup" comment. And it looks like they've deleted most of the chirping and changed sent a much milder tweet containing the link. Here's the original comment by the Wild blogger: http://kings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=639951

I don't know if you're basing your opinion on the 12 games he played for the wings, never actually saw him play, or are trolling, but you're way off on Clark. Wendell Clark's biggest shortcoming was that his body couldn't hold up to his style of play and he was constantly injured.

Agreed. Vladdy wasn't really a fighter but he didn't fear anybody. And there was definitely a good chance you'd be chewing on some lumber or an elbow if you came after him.

Almost never. He wouldn't skate away from anyone coming after him though.

Don't get me wrong, the game would sure get a lot chippier. There just wasn't this automatic throwing off the gloves and jumping a guy right after the clean hard hit. It ticks me off because it negates the advantage of throwing the hit, separating a guy from the puck and taking him out of the play. Instead of getting to take advantage play is stopped because of the mugging.

That's got to be a joke. Burrows is a yapping, hair pulling, finger biting, d-bag. Clark was a tough player who backed up anything he did on the ice. I didn't like Clark on the Wings but only because I hated him so much when he was on the Leafs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-KfQKvxzpw

Not really, unless he went after a star player. Back in the 80s and into the 90s players actually accepted that a clean hard hit was part of the game. They'd take a number and get him back later. Players jumping guys for throwing a clean hard hit is a relatively recent development.

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Chelios, though I eventually got used to him after he was a wing or a while. It took a bit though. It'd be like Pronger signing on the Wings. That quite doesn't even do it though because the hawks rivalry went back so many years, and Chelios was dirtier than Pronger. I developed a pretty strong hate for Lebda, but it's only because he was so bad out there and Holland kept hanging on to him. Ulf Samuelsson was up there because he's such a dirtbag. Now Tootoo. Hopefully my hate for him will fade after a while.

His percentage may be off, but yours is even farther off. I think Kronwall has left his feet too much in the past, though he was much better this last season. I'm guessing he took notice that the league had been cracking down. But even when he was leaving his feet, it wasn't anywhere near half the time. He was credited with 113 hits in 2011. There's no way he left his feet 56 times. Raffi Headhunter Torres doesn't even reach those kind of numbers. Kronner would've been called for charging several times and likely been suspended.

In a perfect world, Kronwall would crush someone with a clean hit, then when some idiot dropped the gloves and went after him, Kronner would start throwing haymakers and drop that guy too. But he's just not that player. Would I love him to beat the crap out of someone who expects him to fight for a clean hit? Yes. Should he HAVE to fight for a clean hit? No.

Why aren't the Wings considered serious contenders? Look at the current defensive corps. Kronwall, White, Quincey, Ericsson, Smith and Kindl. Anything can happen but making predictions based on the current roster I can understand why the Wings are a big question mark. Hopefully players will step up, but even more importantly hopefully no one gets injured. Can you imagine if Kronwall went down with an injury?

They do, but apparently not enough. Taking more and more money from the players is not really addressing the problem, which is the disparity among franchises. So it's either more revenue sharing, or letting some franchises fail (which seems unlikely).

Who has said anything like that? The reality is the owners are the ones saying they're still losing tons of money so they need to reduce their primary costs, players salaries. This is in spite of making massive amounts more revenue than in 2004. Judging by the players proposal, they would be more than happy to stick with the current CBA. Instead the owners want to greatly rollback players percentage of hockey related revenue while also reducing the amount of money that is considered hockey related revenue. Players aren't "in it for the fans." But they want to play hockey and they want their fair share of the money for bringing in billions of dollars for the owners. I know people make the argument that millions of dollars they currently make is enough, but that's not really a realistic assessment. They are elite level talent and have a job that takes a high physical toll and risk on the their health. Yes they make great money doing it, but because $1 million is great money compared to what most of us make here, that doesn't mean they should just let owners take the rest. If you had an extremely specialized skill that generated billions of dollars in revenue, would you be okay with the owner of the company getting most of the revenue for your skill? Especially if your job was high risk? Sorry, this ones more on ownership.

I don't expect them to care about me as a person. But any business should pay attention to its customers and their wants and needs. The NHL is counting on the fact that its customers love hockey more than they hate the way they're being treated and will come crawling back to continue supporting a business that has little regard for them.

I'm not disagreeing with that at all. It's always such a surprise the teams that are great on paper that don't live up to expectations, and the teams that seem to come out of nowhere. Even the first half the season, some fans start planning parade routes because their team has played great for 30 games. Then they come back down to earth and don't even make the playoffs. Like I said people just keep using the Kings as some team no one ever would've predicted to do well. Many people did, they just didn't live up to expectations.