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I hadn't actually heard that. (the part about asking to be released) Link?

You take that back!

Awww, poor little ESAD. Hard to believe it came as a surprise, because I was one of the few who said as much to your face, drama queen.

It is painful to watch. Honestly though I'd be more worried if we were healthy and our PP still sucked this bad. Right now we've got guys like Abby, Meech, and Ritola getting a lot of time on the power play. Last night both Ritola and Abdelkader had more time on the power play than Datsyuk.

Sad but true. At least sad for Leino. May was once again on of the only Wings players actually crashing the net.

Says the expert when it comes to egos. Your fixation with my posts is almost as funny as your constant need for attention.

He's been playing like it a lot this season. I honestly don't know what his deal is. He had one shift last night where he looked like himself and the Wings scored, otherwise he looks completely uninterested offensively.

*running for cover*

That's about as redundant as you can get.

What's sad is there's more than 10 teams with a worse PP% than the Wings. And it's some small consolation that the Pens have the worst. but yeah, I wish they could decline penalties, our power play is so brutal to watch.

Other than shooting off his mouth, I don't remember anything in particular. Like I said, incredibly poor judgement for anyone, but especially someone his age.

That's it in a nutshell. It's just especially painful to think about now given our injury situation and current defense.

Let's see, condescending, check. debate team 101, check. And thank you for proving my point. I think the phrase you're looking for is ad hominem. Like I said in the last post Doc, as much you ***** about us not getting over it, you seem to have some weird chip on your shoulder about Quincey. Overstating how poorly he played at camp. Exaggerating the Cup ring thing. I'm done derailing the GDT. someone can start a thread on Quincey if they want.

Even if it were true, this is relevant to the discussion how? It means Holland absolutely made the wrong decision. this is what he and many people in the Wings organization do for a living. Evaluate talent and potential in players. the fact that he picked Meech over Quincey shows he absolutely made the wrong choice. Quincey didn't stand out in camp, but to put all the blame on him is ridiculous. Holland was the one making the decision, not Quincey, so part of the blame obviously falls on his shoulders. Just like the credit does when he makes the good ones. Look, I don't want to derail this thread further, but as much as you ***** about us not getting over the Quincey thing, you sure seem to still have some beef with him. A

Hi I'm Doc Holliday. when someone disagrees with me and I don't have a leg to stand on, I just get all condescending and resort to my debate team tactics from junior high. My point is that obviously this organization has a lot of ability at spotting talent. Zetterberg, Franzen, Datsyuk, Cleary's comeback, all the way back to picking up Draper for a dollar. They are obviously very good at recognizing the potential in players. It's how the organization has stayed competitive in spite of not having good draft positions. Yet in a rare case when they screw up, like they did with Quincey, it's somehow inconceivable to you that they deserve any of the responsibility for not seeing the player he could become? Because they're pretty damn good at recognizing the kind of environment a player needs to succeed. But they blew it with Quincey. He wasn't a clear standout in camp, and they somehow thought Meech would develop into a better player than he would. That's a bad decision by a good organization, and it's not all Quincey's fault.

And how did that logjam get there? I guess that was Quincey's fault. Sometimes letting a player get "overly ripe" like Holland likes to develop them, actually just lets them rot.

It's hard to when you guys keep making this revisionist history with Quincey and forgive Holland everything. So when guys like Franzen suddenly explode into goal scoring machines, it's kudos to Holland and company for seeing it all along. When they let go someone like Quincey and are forced to put him on waivers in part because they re-signed Chelios past his prime (he played 28 games that season), it must be all Quincey's fault. Makes sense.

Agreed. even those games where he was snakebit, he always looked like he was busting his ass out there. He still leads the game in SOG.

Yeah, but you have to consider the context on a lot of those moves (though Quincey is a head scratcher). He brought in Rafalski when Schneider signed with the Ducks and Holland had to replace him. And at the time the cap was going up and up and up. Now salaries are holding steady so Rafalski's deal looks out of line, especially with his play lately. At the time of the signing I don't remember it being totally overpayment. As for Williams, I see that as grasping at straws after Hossa, Sammy and Hudler all took off. Williams could at least replace Sammy on the point of the power play.

What Chelios did was unbelievably poor judgement, especially for someone his age, with kids. But the Wings were not keeping him line while he was here. He was a Norris winner, a well established veteran and a grown ass man, not some 19 year old.

I hadn't considered that angle. Lebda going off the ice for 5 minutes and taking Ryan with him definitely helps the team. I guess I just have extremely low expectations for Lebda, and fights in general for this team.

No kidding. datsyuk was invisible except for the one shift that led to the goal. He was our MVP last regular season, and this team needs him badly. You're right that I didn't notice Homer either, but for him to do his job, someone needs to get a decent shot on net.

And the Wings continue to pad goalie's stats around the NHL. 39 shots and maybe 3 quality scoring chances, including the goal.

I am by no means a Lebda fan, but considering he's not a fighter, I don't blame him for not dropping the gloves with someone who is 4 inches and at least 25 lbs heavier than him. Lebda getting his ass kicked in that situation helps the team very little.

what a waste of a game. The Wings look like the Bad News Bears out there.