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hey, whatever lets you sleep at night and remain a Bertuzzi fan. Can you name some examples where a healthy pro athlete's neck was broken by having a few guys fall on them? Because it wasn't a group of people. It was three guys, max. Of course it's pretty much impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the exact moment when Moore's neck broke. But it's laughable that people can say with a straight face that it was three players falling on him that did it, and not the suckerpunch to the back of the head. Even if it didn't happen with the punch, the next likely candidate would be Bertuzzi driving Moore's face to the ice while he was unconcious. I can't figure out what kind of physics would have to be involved from guys laying on top of Moore ending up breaking his neck. Like I've said, guys get piled on all the time. No broken necks. if 20 guys piling on each other on the ice after winning a championship hasn't resulted in one neck or even back injury, I find it hard to believe that three guys laying on Moore did it. And as I mentioned, no matter which of the actions caused it, it's still 100% Bertuzzi's fault. If he doesn't cheapshot Moore from behind, none of this happens.

The article also mentions that last year Bert's lawyer made an informal offer to settle for $1 million, which Moore's lawyer declined. $15 mill is too steep for Moore since he was a marginal NHLer, and $350,000 is nothing to cough at. Still, when you've already offered a mill and that was turned down during negotiations, then you get together and offer $350,000, you're wasting everybody's time. Bert's lawyer should've just called and said "F--- you!" It would have been more direct and saved everyone some time. As for Bert not shaking hands. Yes it's a hard nose negotiation, but please, they're all adults. You dont' have to like a guy to at least shake his hand when you're meeting. Moore's lawyer is doing his job, just like Bert's is.

I wonder how his teammates and Ducks fans feel about Niedermayer's retirement indecision right now?

You don't have to be Mike Tyson when the guy you're punching has no idea it's coming. (Which, for the record Todd Bertuzzi is 5 inches taller and 10 to 15 lbs heavier than Tyson) Seriously, you're claiming that a punch to the back of the head was less likely to have broken Moore's neck than having three guys pile on his body? And again, even for those who want to cling to the fallacy that three guys piling on Moore's body somehow resulted in a broken neck, it is still 100% Bertuzzi's fault. Had he not suckerpunched Moore from behind, Moore would not have lost consciousness and fallen face first onto the ice with Bertuzzi on his back, had his face driven to the ice by Bertuzzi, and had a couple other guys pile on top of his unconscious body. Whichever of those events broke his neck, it was still completely and totally Bertuzzi's fault. so let me get this straight. Your reasoning is that a punch to the back of the head doesn't usually break someone's neck, but three guys piling on a guy's body does?

As I've said before, if a guy gets a broken neck on a play and the two potential causes are: a) being suckerpunched from behind at the back of the head from a 6'3" 245 pound hockey player b) having 3 guys pile on your body I'm gonna go with a). Huge guys pile on each other all the time in the NFL, yet rarely is there a broken neck. Not to mention hockey players piling on each other when they celebrate winning the Cup. Again, no broken necks. I can understand being a fan of Bertuzzi in spite of the Moore incident, but it was the punch. It was the punch. It was the punch. And even if you still want to believe it was the pileup, Moore was unconcious during the pileup because Bertuzzi suckerpunched him from behind. Bertuzzi was directly and fully responsible for Moore's injury. There weren't 6 or 7 morons. Only one moron - Bertuzzi. And two other guys (really it looks like only one had any weight on the pile) on top of Moore. Everyone else was still on their skates pulling people off. And if the punch didn't break his neck, then how were they piling on his "broken body?" Because you're saying it wasn't broken at that point, right? Bertuzzi breaking Moore's neck with a suckerpunch

Moore's lawyer also alleges that Bertuzzi refused to even shake his hand when they met to discuss settlement.

were people really arguing with you about his health?? because most of what I saw was people saying IF Holland could be reasonably convinced that he was healthy. This was the exact same injury he's been having problems with, so he tried the comeback and couldn't do it. It's not like some other mysterious injury occurred.

man, Kronwall is just snakebit when it comes to injuries. I'm wondering if he'll ever get his game together because he can't seem to make it through a season.

It's a little premature for them to be calling him a 1A goaltender, considering he's 23 years old, has played two seasons in the AHL and a whopping 4 NHL games. Especially considering his performance in the playoffs last year where he posted a .927 save %. Strange that they would downgrade him.

I guess it's semantics. When someone calls a player overrated, I take that to mean the hype is greater than the player's actual abilities. With Forsberg that is not the case. For me, injuries don't have anything to do with being called overrated. Like when Zetterberg got injured last year, that didn't suddenly make him overrated as a player in my book. But yes, as I've said, his health is the greatest factor in him coming back.

how does being injured make him overrated? the only thing that would be overrated then is his health, which as I said is a major concern.

2006 = 19 goals 56 assists for 75 points in 60 games. 4 goals and 4 assists for 8 points in 6 playoff games 2007 = 13 goals 42 assists for 55 points in 57 games. 2 goals and 2 assists for 4 points in 5 playoff games And those are his post-lockout numbers. (with the flyers and Predators no less) His health is a major concern, but he is not overrated.

Exactly. Even if Fischer is willing to accept the health risks of playing again, I can't imagine that the Wings would. He almost died on the bench once already, so they've got a pretty clear idea of what it would be like if it happened again. As the article mentions, he also had two heart attacks at home after the incident on the bench. Fischer may be convinced that it won't happen again, but I find it highly unlikely that doctors and Wings management will be convinced enough for him to play again.

Since coming back to the Wings, this is the first stretch that I've thought Ozzy's really got his game back together. He's been good at times, but I don't think he's been this consistent.

link?

If he ran a "little" interference, then it was a penalty. Don't get me wrong, I think it was a little weak considering how they had called things that game, but it was a penalty. A guy was trying to get into the play and Dats slowed him down. But that wasn't even really my point. Mainly I was trying to say it wasn't just one bad call or bad play that cost the Wings the series. Thankfully, blaming Lilja for costing the Wings the Cup has died off with the new season.

I thought the same thing as soon as I hit Add Reply. it's not like it's a shutout we're talking about...

wait, Downey's not playing? I'm confused. how can the Wings possibly be beating Calgary without Downey??? there's gotta be a lot of broken hearts in his man-love club here right now...

I can't freaking believe how hot he's been lately. It has to slow down at some point, right???

The Zamboni song didn't even make the list?

Here's the actual excerpt from the article (this is the entire and only mention of it in the piece): It is at the very bottom of the piece and includes no comment or quote or even paraphrase from anyone from the Ducks organization. It's merely speculation by the writer. I'm sure Boll is going to be a bit more of a target out there than usual, but it's not like anyone has actually said as much.

exactly. I didn't think it was a very controversial statement.

I wasn't saying that they necessarily lost because of bad goaltending, but that's still not the same has having a Brodeur or Roy between the pipes. A true #1 franchise guy of that caliber would've made a difference. Especially considering having that position shored up season after season would allow management to focus their attention elsewhere.

exactly. I think term and salary are going to be much bigger factors than health in determining if Detroit would sign him.

Not if he was a trade deadline rental. Ultimately I think there's little chance the Wings will sign him, as I'm guessing he's looking for a longer term than a rental, and probably more cash than Holland is willing to part with.