MileHighWingsGuy

Are we waiting for similar talent contract for comparison guidelines or for Kenny to free up salary cap space?

I wouldn't be so worried about the Tatar signing (though I still think he's overpaid) if we had moved Nyquist and signed AA.

We've waited for a "fix" the last decade what makes you think they'll do anything at all. Hell half the guys on this site are happy about the Tatar signing and letting AA walk and remaining stagnant is what KH does best.

Boy who coulda seen this coming. Huge surprise. AA, Mantha and the next generational talent have been treated with the same care as our salary cap. No direction, no focus and no common sense. Kenny goes outta his way to coddle veteran players with marginal talent and shows an inverse relationship to the young talent while still hiding behind the youth movement mantra. Sure AA is lacking leverage in this scenario but is this how we will treat our up and coming talent? Is this what we've become? Maybe watching Sheahan and Abdelkader will somehow become exciting this year. Resign Draper, trade Mantha and Larkin to thoroughly put us all to sleep Kenny. Just make a trade, any trade and your supporters will fall over themselves hoping you get a 10 year extension.

I'll never understand the dysfunctional relationship with the front office towards some of these kids ready to tear it up and the undying loyalty to veteran unproductive guys. Its criminal AA wasn't one of the first priorities and taken care of months ago. I love the Wings but their management makes me want to see them fail to facilitate new management and direction.

Everyone felt the same way when Elway became the GM of the Broncos...then we realized having a passionate guy that wants your team to be the best forever is the ultimate person to have in that job. Yzerman would take his fame and this team to new levels, mark my words.

Well he's now one of our overpaid staff and with his salary it demands production. if the team's bad its because we are relying on guys like him. Well he's now one of our overpaid staff and with his salary it demands production. if the team's bad its because we are relying on guys like him.

AA is my favorite player, speed to burn and can finish. He'd be the last thing outside of Mantha I would trade. I'd be cool trading him if I thought Holland had a clue and could actually acquire a top Defenseman. Holland is the last guy I want trading for our future defense. I don't understand why we need derogatory public statements about Mantha a year ago and the mitigation of minutes to our future stars to fit a narrative that young talent must earn their spot. I'm just done with this leadership or lack thereof.

Oh I know, Vanek is a pipe dream and I'm almost certain the way things are shaping up AA will somehow be sent down or traded. Just funny when someone actually does perform they are quickly off the team and I'm stuck watching Abdelkader, Helm and Sheahan all night.

Kind of funny Vanek and AA were my favorite two Wings to watch last year. They could care less about getting AA done quickly and Vanek likely won't be signed.

Yeah, great didn't see this coming.

I still think $5-$6 Mill for Tatar is ridiculous. Giving out bad contracts because trades are difficult is just horrible management both from a personnel and cap perspective. We really need a direction and a game plan for the team as a whole, every decision seems to be made in a vacuum with no coherency. Question to those with knowledge. If the arbitrator finds Tatar is worth something stupid like $6Million do the Wings have any options left? Or can they trade him at that point? Guess I need and education in arbitration.

If your really going to fix it you could have said hopefully Holland trades Nyquist/Tatar and signs Vanek.

Hopefully Tatar gets his one year deal and we can flip him at the deadline.

Hoping we trade Tatar and sign Vanek to a short term deal. Love watching him play and save money for some big names needing money in the out years.

We continue to lock up players that aren't special and gripe about having no cap room. Start saving the space for Mantha Larkin and others who matter and let the bad deals end if Hollands never going to make a trade.

Funny thing is that he is average mediocre talent...he'll fit right in with the rest of them 5, 7 years who cares.

Can't imagine Tatar for $5Mill per lol. That's the kind of crap that continues to hamstring us financially. Sign production for a year or two (Vanek) and work Bertuzzi and Svechnikov into the rotation. Holland has needed to make some transition trades for years and Tatar is a prime example.

I'd rather see Tatar and Nyquist traded and sign Vanek, he was more fun to watch.

Yeah, great.

I guess I'm the only one who watched the 2015 preseason when the Wings management was debating sending him down before he made the final cut. Justin Schultz, Doug Hamilton, Seth Jones I mean the list of young defensemen traded is not small, and there are no end of threads with people pining for defensive talent that comes available not sure what you want. If you are happy with Holland and our team that's cool, stop acting like anyone wanting change is whining or is clueless. My solution is simple, get rid of Holland and stop signing average talent to long term overpriced deals.

I don't care how old Larkin was the point is the supposed "experts" the "professionals" struggled on if he should make the roster...really? My point with AA was he has been ready, is ready and the nights he was a healthy scratch in place of guys like Sheahan is a joke. When you struggle to make easy calls it puts everything you do as an organization under greater scrutiny. Its been 5 years since Nick left our team and in that time we still don't skate a defenseman in the top 50 talent wise in the NHL. We as a group fight over Mrazek/Howard when in fact neither one is worth a damn, and I continually see Defensemen on the trade block while we sit hamstrung by the incompetent contracts the "experts" hand out. I'm sure we'll continue down this path and sign Tatar to a long term obnoxious deal when we should be trading him as well.

They had a real struggle wondering if Larkin should make the team and sat AA because he hadn't earned playing time. I'm a know nothing fan and struggle to catch every other game and even I can laugh at their decisions. We've needed a big trade for years and never happens, if you're happy congrats, enjoy mediocrity.

Never understood the "they are professionals, what do you know as a fan" mentality. Sometimes these guys get so buried in the details they never see the big picture as a fan does. I get there is a process and these kids need to mature where they can spend minutes on the ice growing but the Wings and Holland are in a rut where its groundhog day every year and this great franchise seems complacent with the whole dance. Sometimes a change is a good thing and we have needed one for some time now. New perspective, new views and a fresh start, maybe make a trade or two.

Actually he did...