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It's a shame that people that base their NHL knowledge on what they're allowed to do in NHL12 are allowed to post here. http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2011/10/red_wings_recall_brendan_smith_1.html "This enables Smith to serve two more games of his five-game suspension (Thursday and Saturday) while Mike Commodore remains on short-term injured reserve. Somebody email Ansar Kahn and tell him hes wrong, or call Bettman and tell him that Holland snuck a 24th man on the team. No, I don't need to count it, I'm educated. Having the ability to throw one of the 23 men down to GR allows them to recall nyquist if they want, or any other play to sit in for one or two games because they have short term injuries, or to recall McDonald if Conklin/Howard need a game off for some reason. Maybe I should've posted that it was my opinion, but I really don't see what's incorrect...

Sorry, I should have put an "etc." in there...

^^ I couldn't agree more about Hossa. As much as I disliked the guy, we haven't had a pure goal scorer since. We have scorers that don't always get it done that are either inconsistent (Franzen), aged (Holmstrom, Bertuzzi), oft injured (Franzen, Cleary), or haven't lived up to the hype (Hudler, Filppula).

Not a surprising move at all... Now that Commodore is off of IR, the Red Wings don't have an open roster spot. Back in 07/08, Holland did the same thing with Aaron Downey/Matt Ellis. Whenever everyone was healthy Holland would throw Downey on waivers because if he cleared it meant that for 30 days he could be sent to GR in case we needed to recall a player for a short term injury or other cause (IE Recalling MacDonald to backup Conklin for the Jackets game so Howard could be at the birth of his first child...). Obviously he chose to waive Brunnstrum because he hasn't fit into the line-up much and has a low risk of being taken due to his previous failures at the NHL level and because he WILL NOT have to be subjected to re-entry waivers since he didn't play much at the NHL level last year. Plus they want Brunnstrom to get some playing time, which he can get in GR. It's a risk, but an inevitable one. Barring a trade or another injury one of either Brunnstrom or Emmerton would have to be waived when Mursak comes off IR anyway, and due to his good play, potential and age, Emmerton would most likely be claimed.

I didn't read this whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been said. I have to agree about needing a trade. Other than Rafalski being replaced by White and some supporting cast coming and going, this team has been riding the same pony for going on three seasons. The Central division is getting better, and in watching these past couple of games, it seems like the opposition knows exactly what to expect from us. I predict the same thing will happen this season that happened in the last two: a whole bunch of injuries all year, no deals at the deadline, followed by an early playoff exit orchestrated by a team that is younger and more physical, which will be followed by excuses about players playing hurt or Howard being tired blah blah. One thing I don't like about this team is all the players that getting paid big bucks for their potential contributions rather than actual contributions. "Cough Franzen, Filppula, Hudler, Ericsson Cough". By no means am I saying we need to dismantle the whole team, I think we need to make deals like we did in 96/97 when we got Shanahan and Murphy. We were in the same boat then, we were a good team, just couldn't go all the way and the Shanahan deal is what carried us over the hump.

Looks like Poile may just be trying to open up some cap space for a pending trade, UFA or RFA signing.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/story/?id=350891&hubname=nhl-senators Apparently Karlsson and Alfredsson are the only untouchables. I wouldn't mind having Ruutu or Neil...

LOL. Take a chill pill. Did you maybe think that Holland is happy with Howard and just wanted a sure thing rental insurance policy? (Ala Bill Ranford 1999....) Put yourself in Hollands shoes. Your team has a total 5 Goaltenders to work with: Goalie A, Goalie B, Goalie C, Goalie D and Goalie E Goalie A is your starting goaltender, who last season was in the voting for the Calder Trophy and played in the playoffs for the first time in his career. However, this season his numbers aren't as good as the previous year. Goalie B is an experienced goaltender who was a starter for 2 championship teams and came within 1 game of making it 3... However, this goalies struggles caused him to lose the starting job to Goalie A. Another blow to Goalie B, is that he just had surgery that he will not be ready to return from until as late as a couple of weeks before weeks before the playoffs, which may not give him enough time to be playing at 100% before the playoffs arrive. Goalie C is an NHL goalkeeper that has a some regular season experience but zero in the playoffs. And lastly Goalies D and E have zero NHL experience and are largely unproven. Here's a worst case look at how the scenario could fold out if nothing changes in goal at or before the deadline... Scenario 1A. Goalie A could (god forbid)be injured during the stretch and miss time. Here is a negative look at how the injury could work out... Goalie A could miss a signifact amount of time upto and including the rest of the stretch and the beggining of the playoffs. During that time, depending on Goalie B's injury status, we would either have to rely on Goalie who will undoutedly be rusty from missing between 6-8 weeks and recovering from an injury, or Goalie C. If Goalie A goes down for the rest of the year and the playoffs we would still have to rely on Goalie B and possibly Goalie C, which may not pan out well. Scenario 1B. Maybe Goalie A stays healthy, but continues to struggle or his struggles get even worse. The team will have to rely on Goalie B or Goalie C which may not play out well. Holland thinking of this situation, signs a PROVEN starting goaltender for $570k that will slot between Goalie A and Goalie B, making him Goalie AB. In Scenarios 1A and 1B, Goalie AB could step in negating the reliance on Goalie B or Goalie C.

The Osgood/Hasek tandem certainly got us to the playoffs that year, but Osgood definately won us the cup. As far as the issue at hand, I think a lot of you are extremely optimistic and I don't blame any of you for it. However, let's take a "realistic" look at this situation. In my opinion, Ken Holland signed Nabokov knowing that he would have to pass through waivers. It's a gamble. Sign a starting caliber goalie at a near league minimum price that has to be waived. If he passes, we gain some bargain depth in net and possibly someone who could turn into a starter. If he get's claimed, we go on as we were and lose nothing, except maybe a couple of bucks out of Mike Illitch's pocket and some time. Holland did all that he could to try to maybe steer other teams from Nabokov with the NTC, but lets face it. A goaltender that has been a starter for pretty much his whole career is an attractive option for ANY team. Whether they're at the bottom of the standings, fighting for a playoff spot, or definately making the playoffs, if they want him they'll put in a claim. It doesn't matter how much cap space or how many goalies or players are on their roster, if a team wants him the can send someone down, waive someone or trade someone to make the neccessary cap and/or roster space. Also, Don Meehans message to the teams in the league is merely a sesame seed on the hamburger bun. It has no bearing on where Nabokov will end up. If a team claims him, Nabokov will have to do whatever that team desires, even if they claim him for depth and he keeps the press box warm. I notice a lot of people throwing around the "odd man out" theory... The Red Wings won't need to have an odd man out, they have a player that will be on LTIR til after the trade deadline. Having a player on LTIR keeps a spot open, and after the trade deadline the 23 man roster limit is lifted. Another misconception is that Detroit gets first claim if he is waived by the team that claims him from Detroit, which is not true. Even though it's pretty much been shot down, it would be tough for Detroit to work out some sort of deal with NJ if they had claimed him, because in order for NJ to trade him to Detroit, Nabokov would first have to waive his NTC, but they would also have to get his permission to be waived again since a player that get's claimed on waivers can only be traded if they clear waivers. Even if the Devils did claim him and trade him back to the Wings, the trade would have to be significantly balanced as I'm sure if it wasn't the NHL would immediately call collusion and block it. Another noted misconception is that only teams lower than the waiving team in the standings can put in a claim. This also is not true. If it were true, don't you think New Jersey would be having a field day with their cap situation knowing that they could just waive anybody and throw them in and out of the minors cuz no one would get claimed? ANY team in the NHL that is not the Detroit Red Wings can put in a claim. SO every thinking that Vancouver and Philly can't claim are wrong. If teams #4-30 in the standing don't put in a claim and team #2 does, it doesn't matter at all that they are higher than Detroit's #3. I also think at some point I noticed where GENIUS Bob McKenzie stated that Nabokov wouldn't be allowed to come back to Detroit if he got claimed. This is false. I'm guessing he was thinking about a rule from the old CBA where players that were traded a month before the waiver draft couldn't return to the team that traded them away (ala Dean McAmmond 2003 trade deadline...). This rule actually kept teams from protecting players from the draft by trading them to another team that had room for protected players and then reacquiring them after the draft. In 1989 the Flyers couldn't protect all of the players that they wanted to, but the Winnipeg Jets had some room. So the Flyers traded Pete Peeters and Keith Acton to Winnipeg a couple of days before the waiver draft for "future considerations". However, Winnipeg traded both players back to the Flyers the day after the draft for a 5th round pick. Obviously, without the waiver draft we don't have to worry about this rule. So in theory, If New Jersey were to claim Nabokov, they could trade him back to Detroit, ONLY IF he clears waivers, but obviously if Detroit wanted him back they would put in a claim, obviously negating any need to have to trade him back.... Enjoy him while he's a Red Wing for the next 18 hours.

It's just the nature of the beast. If Ritola had made the team, his position would have been to fill Meech's seat in the press box anyway. Kind of hard to build off of that upside that way.... Detroit is so deep up front it's rediculous. Between Maltby, Tatar, Emmerton, Mursak and Owens, Kenny is going to have to draw straws when it comes time to recall a forward. Let Ritola go to a team where he'll be able to make an impact and PLAY.

Didn't Cory Cross wear #4 too?

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2010/08/red_wings_might_opt_to_keep_ma.html Makes sense atleast. It would also free up a little bit of cap space. The one question that is unanswered however, is who will be the odd man out for emergency call ups? Holland likes to either keep a space open, or waive a roster player (Downey/Ellis 07/08) for this. Who would they waive for this? Draper ?

I said neither. Probert is one of the greatest enforcers to even lace them up, but is career in Detroit was slightly disappointing. Had he kept up to what the front office expected from him, he would have been on this team for atleast the 97 and 98 cups, probably 2002 as well. Chelios on the other hand started playing for the Red Wings toward the end of his prime. He did win 2 cups, but was merely a role player for the second. The next number that will be retired will be #5. Probably followed by #91 at some point, and maybe #14. I can't see why not. The guys NHL resume is nearly as impressive as Yzermans, and he was a huge part of the 3 cup teams.

Some of this seems to make sense. A big awful wimpy d-man that couldn't stay in the Tampa Bay Lightning line-up is right up Holland's alley. Shopping Miller does make sense tho. If the Red Wings are going to carry 14 forwards, someone is going to get buried in the press box at #14. I'd prefer it be Draper, but I don't see that happening. Plus, Holland likes to keep a spot clear incase he needs an emergency call up, so someone is going to need to be waived anyway (ala Downey 2007-2008). My suggestion you ask? Do the same thing we did in 07-08. Barring his camp performance, sign Downey for league minimum and pencil him in for the #14 spot. They can waive him when they need to and he most likely won't be picked up, but he can also be inserted into the lineup if they feel his presence is needed. It's not like it will hurt the team. In the only full season Downey spent on the team, we won a cup....

No. The guy couldn't even stay in the Tampa Bay Lightning line-up.

No thanks to Lukas Krajicek.

I'm betting that Holland was going to play Mitchell based on what was going to happen with Modano. With Modano in the fold now, Mitchell really isn't an option. He'll likely fetch just less than what Sutton got. I'm still pulling for Hnidy.

Boogaard. Holmstrom Datsyuk Franzen Filppula Zetterberg Hudler Cleary Helm Eaves Abdelkader Draper Miller Boogaard/Ritola Lidstrom Rafalski Kronwall Stuart Ericsson Lilja Kindl Done.

I fail to see why the game was mentioned in the article... Maybe the author was paid off by someone who wants the shootout in the playoffs....

Today I thought a manequin on skates would have been just as useful as Bertuzzi was. The puck just bounced off of him.

I had a feeling this would happen. However, I won't make a judgement against Howard until after game 4. If anybody sits for game 4 it should be Draper and Bertuzzi.

Or he just went to KHL to make A LOT of money? I'm betting that his agent had the KHL in the back of his mind the whole season and advised little Jiri to file for arbitration so he could measure his options. When $5mil nearly tax free came calling, he couldn't resist. I would have done the same. Had the arbitration number not fit, I'm positive Holland would've made adjustments, and the poo from the bottom of the toilet (Williams and Bertuzzi) wouldn't be on the team. I think it's funny how everyones trying to make Hudler into some hero. He's just trying to get some $$$$.

I think everyone's hopes for Hudler to return are a little too high. He'd be stupid to come back with the kind of money he's making in Russia. On offense I'd let go of: Williams - He's been useless this year, and even if he played every game this year he isn't even on par for more than 30 points. Bertuzzi - Save for 1 stinkin' month, he has been equally useless. Maltby - Do I need to explain? May - Same Resign Holmstrom, bring up Abdelkader and Ritola. I'd leave a spot open for a 2nd/3rd line winger. Specifically, I'd target someone who plays with a bit of an edge and has some size, but can also go to the net. This player would effectively replace Bertuzzi. Miller and Eaves pretty much showed that they can fill Williams spot. Maltby really doesn't need to be replaced... It would look something like this: Franzen-Datsyuk-Holmstrom Filppula-Zetterberg- ________ Cleary-Helm-Eaves Miller-Draper-Abdelkader Ritola On defense I'd let go of: Lebda - The past couple of years he's never really had a solidified spot in the line-up and continues to jostle between being the #6 and #7 dman. He's pretty much a dime a dozen and we need to make room for Kindl, since he is on a one way next season. If Detroit resigns both Lebda and Lilja, the latter of which I believe will be resigned, they'll risk losing Meech or Kindl for nothing in the same fashion they did Quincey. Resign Lilja Looking like: Lidstrom-Rafalski Stuart-Kronwall Lilja-Ericsson/Kindl Meech In goal no changes Howard Osgood

Why would they? The Red Wings aren't nearly the team they were the past couple of seasons, and they're being backed by a goaltender who hasn't yet played in an NHL playoff game.

What really happened was..... Krupp signed a big deal in the summer of '98. It was either going to be him or Jyrki Lumme, and at the time Krupp was the better choice. They were still trying to fill the void left after the Konstantinov accident. Unfortunately, he got injured early in the '98/'99 season and ended up getting caught dog sledding while he was supposed to be hurt. The team suspended him after that, and pretty much replaced him when they acquired Chelios at the deadline that year. Krupp missed the following 2 seasons. However, Bowman always had a thing for Krupp since he drafted him for Buffalo back in the 80's and they reinstated him for the last year of his contract which was '01/'02. He played 8 games missing most of the year hurt (again), but this time he didn't dog sled and Bowman had him penned for the playoff line-up in the first round. He played in those first 2 games that we lost to Vancouver, and he was atrocious. He was either -4 or -5, I can't remember. He really s*** the bed, as he was on the ice for just about all of Vancouvers goals. He was scratched the rest of the playoffs and Olausson was put in his place, even when Fischer missed the Stanley Cup clinching game, they dressed Jiri Slegr over Krupp. That would have to be one of my biggest failed transaction. I was excited to see Krupp come to Detroit after watching him play with Colorado. The fact that he was 6'6" was the coolest thing to me when I was 11 years old. Another one was Wendell Clark. I thought he was going be an awesome fit in Detroit, but didn't really make a mark. Actually, all of the players we got during Hollands deadline explosion of '99 save for Chelios, didn't work out. Ranford ended up s***ting the bed hardcore against Colorado, and we barely got to see much from Samuelsson. I never really liked CuJo in Detroit. After Hasek retired, I was really pulling for Ed Belfour. I thought he would've been a better fit for Detroit. He ended up replacing CuJo in Toronto and fared a lot better. Another one was Manny Legace. I wasn't jumping for joy when we first got him, but when he finally became our starting goalie I was really pulling for him. It's too bad he had a horrible attitude. Ville Leino is another one. He looked good during the regular season last year, albeit a little lost during the playoffs. But what an utter disapointment he was this season. I'm going to catch s*** for this one... but Brad Norton. I thought it was interesting when he made the team out of camp after Detroit had been beat up so bad the year before, and then he gets hurt while fighting 6 games in and was replaced by Filppula. Once again making the team a bunch of wimps. Igor Grigorenko coming over seemed exciting at the time, but he ended up looking awful. Holland even said he'd give him a qualifier so he could come to camp the next year, but he ended up blowing it in Russia too and they just let him go. It was a shame, when he was drafted he had Datsyuk potential. Unfortunately, the accident he had crippled that.