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Thanks!

The boxscore at NHL.com is not up. Curious who got assists.

In all honesty, Clarke was probably better defensively than Howe... despite their positions. Clarke is acknowledged as arguably the greatest defensive forward to ever play the game, and did win two Harts over Bobby Orr. Total cheap-shotting bastard, who hid behind his teammates when called out though. His results according to coaches polls at the time: Best backchecker 3rd 1981 Best checker 1st 1974 Best checker 1st 1976 Best defensive forward 2nd 1981 Best forechecker 1st 1981 Best on faceoffs 2nd 1974 Best on faceoffs 1st 1976 Best on faceoffs 1st 1979 Best on faceoffs 1st 1981 Best on faceoffs 4th 1984 Best penalty killer T-1st 1974 Best penalty killer 1st 1976 Best playmaker 3rd 1974 Best playmaker 1st 1976 First player to build team around 1st 1976 Hardest worker 1st 1971 Hardest worker 1st 1974 Hardest worker 1st 1976 Hardest worker 1st 1979 Hardest worker 2nd 1984 Smartest player 3rd 1974 Smartest player 2nd 1976 Smartest player 4th 1979

They were pretty long in the tooth by then so I doubt the Wings would have been making too many long term plans around them. Though Lidstrom credits both of them, especially McCrimmon, with having a big impact on his game. I was really surprised McCrimmon never really worked out as the defensive coach, given his influence on Lidstrom and the fact he was so great defensively himself. I always wonder if the Wings had drafted Jagr instead of Primeau. We'd probably never see Shanahan, but who cares in that scenario.

Howe and McCrimmon were the best defensive line in the 80s... like Weber and Suter today. Howe was a better version of Larry Murphy and McCrimmon was a rock defensively. About time Howe got into the HHoF (he was also a Hart finalist)!

Wow, those are two pretty good teams. Love the depth this year, even after the probable loss of a few of the tryouts.

Wusses!

Jean Claude Van Hudler

No, you apparently think Holland needs to ensure his players fight 90% less than they already do.

Nice backtracking... Your earlier posts were so full of hyperbole I could do nothing but laugh. No one here is pushing for a bunch of goons like you were adamantly arguing against. 1-3 fights for a team in the NHL is embarrassing- easily the lowest in the history of the NHL. In 2008 the Wings had 21 fighting majors and 13 last year. Your opinions are pretty ridiculous and ignore the nature of the NHL and hockey.

I hope this means the Brad "O-Zone" Stuart experiment is over. He's better in more of a stay-at-home role - let Kronwall do the pinching this year.

Though playing well in Juniors is usually a better sign than not playing well. There have been a few posters on this board who would love to see a team of goons iced by the Wings, but they are not here anymore - go chase them down if that is the argument you are looking for. The rest of us believe it is beneficial to have a few players on the team willing and able to give a beatdown when smaller players are being run. That's it.

Apparently there are only two types of hockey player: Skilled and Goon! And obviously anyone who thinks the Wings could use a little more snarl is in favor of trading Zetterberg and Datsyuk for Parros and Godard.

Those games are designated as the Amway Golden Pyramid Games - 15,000 tickets will go to season ticket holders, who will then sell blocks of seats at 200% profit, trickling down to more individual marketers down the line. I figured out I have a chance at 5 tickets and could possibly resell them at a 3% profit margin. The remaining 5,000 tickets will be used as prizes at Amway seminars and bonuses for top vitamin supplement purchasers.

Maybe my opinion is extreme - but I think Lidstrom is a far better hockey player than Yzerman. Lidstrom is one of the best defensive defenseman in history, yet still managed to be the best offensive defenseman for a decade. To match the dizzying heights Lifstrom accomplished, Yzerman needed to match his offensive heights with his defensive heights, for a decade... We're talking 130 pt seasons with Selke-worthy two-way play. Lidstrom basically had Fedorov's '94 Hart Season (120 pts and a Selke) for an entire decade. I understand Yzerman is far more to Detroit than his on-ice performance, but he quite simply and decisively is not as good of a hockey player as Lidstrom, or Howe. It's funny Lidstrom's all-time uniqueness and placement tends to get underrated by his own fan base, that just can not accept a defensan's importance over a forward's or literally 'anyone' over Yzerman. IMO, Lidstrom is literally a contender for Top 10 player of all-time.

When has Eva ever blamed losing on fighting?? Heaten, seems diabolically intent on denying every Cup winning team has had a higher coefficient of fighters than the losing teams (I challenge anyone to look it up).

Clearly raised his elbow and targeted the head. The exact type of hit that should have no place in hockey. Classless.

I'm a big Cobo Joe's fan - around the corner from the arena and I chatted with Joey Kocur for a while last time I was there after a game.

Lol!

Only one assist on three goals - sign they have not 'meshed' well yet.

Wings still trail 3-5 5 min into the third.

Lashoff and Nedomel both with fights.

I'm happy the 'other side' is getting a voice here, as unpopular or non-PC as it may be. Doan could be viewed as a sadistic neanderthal with those comments, but he is simply a realist. Hockey is about the furthest thing away from a 'safe sport' as you can get without involving sharks, parachutes or underwater caves. Go overboard with taking away the speed, intensity and inherent danger of hockey and it is simply not going to be as entertaining to the masses and these players are not going to make nearly as much money doing it as they are now. Ultimately, hockey as a profession (just like any major sport), is about entertainment as much as it is about sportsmanship.

Apparently the planes were being decommissioned in Russia less than a month from now (Oct. 1), which is two years after the EU deemed then unsafe.

Thanks. I read over 500 people have died while on this plane model. Tretiak just spoke and stated the Soviet National Team will no longer use Yak-42s.