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I am starting to hate Ansar Khan... He just keeps saying the same thing over and over about Gaustad. He won't even consider the rumors that the Wings are looking at three other players. I am wearing Sabers colors today to honor the incoming Saber player... Hopefully Pominville... I am thinking Stafford and Roy.

Does anyone else feel like trade deadline day is becoming disappointment day?

hey, this is interesting. Stafford, Poms, or Roy? I would take either of the first two... Still don't want to give up Tatar.

Interesting NHLsourcessay I think this is a pretty spot on reporter, and he says the Wings are interested in Roy, Pominville, and Stafford. Not Gaustad. I put Stafford and Pominville in my shrewd moves list.

There are multiple sources saying David Jones is a wings target. One of them is an Eklund flunky. So grain o salt. I would take him if he was cheap. I would rather have Tatar than Jones. That goes for almost everyone in our system. If they could swing Jones for Emmerton, Jokaim and a second... I doubt they would do that... Hate to say it, but I could see Kindl being a part of this. I would be okay with Emmerton and Kindl being shipped as well. I bet we will look worse for it, but it could help win a cup. Although another big guy that doesn't use it, and is slow, and is streaky... Could doom the team. I am still hoping Plekanec is the guy tomorrow, or Brown, or Morrow, or one of the people from my long list of outside of the box additions. Really, the options are improving... I just don't want to lose ANY of the top prospects we have. That includes Smith, Tatar, and pretty much everyone we drafted the last two years.

There are multiple sources saying David Jones is a wings target. One of them is an Eklund flunky. So grain o salt. I would take him if he was cheap. I would rather have Tatar than Jones. That goes for almost everyone in our system. If they could swing Jones for Emmerton, Jokaim and a second... I doubt they would do that... Hate to say it, but I could see Kindl being a part of this. I would be okay with Emmerton and Kindl being shipped as well. I bet we will look worse for it, but it could help win a cup. Although another big guy that doesn't use it, and is slow, and is streaky... Could doom the team. I am still hoping Plekanec is the guy tomorrow, or Brown, or Morrow, or one of the people from my long list of outside of the box additions. Really, the options are improving... I just don't want to lose ANY of the top prospects we have. That includes Smith, Tatar, and pretty much everyone we drafted the last two years. I just don't see a deal going down like that. I would imagine they would want Sheahan, Tatar and Smith for a Pominville. Which is WAY too much to give up.

The word is, we are looking at three Sabers. I wonder if Miller has to go back in order to make his brother happy Plekanec is also available.

I heard nothing of a previous charge.

I don't think Gaustad is a big improvement over Emmerton or Mursak. He is a penalty kill specialist and a tough guy. WE have plenty of PK guys, and I really don't think a fighter helps. Besides Abs, E, and Bert are enough for that. I doubt Pominville gets moved, but the Wings would love to get him. Anyone else think that if Gaustad and Pominville come over, it will cost us Tatar, Miller, Emmerton and another prospect? NHLSources tweets that Nashville has made an offer for Nash.

I wouldn't ***** too much if they got him, except that we lose someone else. I don't want to lose Mursak.

Neil is a guy Holland loves, but never will be able to get.

Alright maybe this will help discussions. The Wings biggest problem right now is lack of chemistry. Much of that has to do with not having the right guys going to the net to take advantage of the skills we already have. Cleary, Bertuzzi, Franzen, Homer... they all go to the net. None of them mesh well in the top two lines to make it work. Mostly because only Cleary is fast enough to get there in time, but not big enough to push his way there. Combine that with the fact that Val, Hudler, Zetter, and Pavel all are players who can't push their way there and are better suited away from the net., and you have problems. I think Brown and Morrow fit this build of having that combination... Now you can also add a sniper to find soft spots away from the front and make it work. Once again, they need to mesh with the passers. I think Semin, Vanek, Pomminville, and Selanne fit the bill... I kind of doubt anything is going to happen with either of these routes. The big problem here is who ever could be had will be costly, and at the same time you have to make sure, you would be able to make both top lines work. I think if we were to add Semin, we could find him working well with Pavel on the top line, but then you really have the same problem on the second line. If you put him on the second line, who would you move to the top line? Bert, Franzen, Hudler, Cleary, all have issues. Anyone you add, the second line STILL has the same problem of having unworkable or at least inconsistent, chemistry. I believe the best set up would be Zetter, Pav, and Brown or Franzen on the top line. Getting a player who can shoot from the outside and go at the net while allowing the second line to have the other guy. Bert, Fil, and Franzen have all shown an inconsistent but workable scoring touch. Really if Bert would pick up some speed, all of our problems could be solved without any moves, and the same goes for Franzen. They both act like anchors for the top two lines. That is why I would put them both together perhaps with Abs, Helm, or Fil and hope they can manage to keep up enough not to allow so many scoring chances. Yet, they need someone to make the Euro Twins finish. I would kill to have a Hull type show up. I would like to say, that if Holland was really smart, (and he has been so often) he would find someone who isn't a big name and that can fill a role such as what I described. You should be able to find a “nobody” whose style of game would fit in. I mean look at how some other duos in the league can add anyone and they become point producers. Mikael Samuelsson did that with the Wings once and the Canucks once. We should be able to find someone like that, but not him as he has his faults, which are well known. We could fix the top two lines by adding people that go to the net, or just adding people whom might have the right mix of other skills to compliment what we do have. Brown would be the best addition. Others that might work well include: Jason Pominville David Clarkson Scott Hartnell T. Plekanec Milan Michalek Drew Stafford Kris Versteeg Michael Ryder Blake Wheeler Matt Cullen Shrewd moves would include: Justin Williams: He might be a great add if not Brown. He has an affordable contract that will last for a few years but is only 30 years old and brings almost everything the Wings are missing. Quick and gritty in the traffic areas, shoots first and has hit 30 goals before in a similar system in Carolina. He would fit in extremely well on the top line or the second line freeing up Johan to go up top for a power line with Pav and Hank. Daniel Winnik: This guy has a ton of shots on net, 151 at time of writing this and fits the right handed big defensive depth role we were supposedly looking to acquire. Winnik, with his size and grit and the fact he shoots the puck a ton, could be put on the top line with Dats and Zetter to form at the very least form a shutdown line. My hunch is that he could at the best turn into a huge goal scorer the same way Bertuzzi did when getting a shot with a couple of elite players a while back in Vancouver. Bryan Little: Younger and better than Hudler, even if he plays a similar game. Yet has a better shot, which makes all the difference in the world. He would score more goals in the same role as Hudler. Has two years on the contract, and could be flipped next year in a deadline deal. If you doubt it, check the scouting report. "Is a good playmaker who can be employed on the wing, as well as his natural center position. Owns a good wrist shot and sound defensive instincts. Is a tireless worker. Can snipe, too." The problem here is Winnipeg most likely would not trade him. I would at least inquire. Milan Hejduk: Right handed with quick release. He could be a Hull type fixture with the Euro Twins while coming cheap. He might not fit in though with our past history with the Avs, and he is one of the only players on their roster left you can say that about. PA Parenteau: I really like the look of this kid, and think his game is on the rise. UFA and therefore could be cheap. Parenteau is a right-handed player who will shoot the puck and is ready for a bigger role offensively. The problem is he is a pass first type and would be a better addition to the second line with Val. I still believe if you added him next to Val, that you would have a similar set up to the top line with the Euro Twins. Then, perhaps, you can use Franzen on the second and Bert on the first and have two top lines that are balanced. Unfortunately, each will be streaky. Kyle Brodziak: His contract is friendly though long, so he likely would not be moved from Minnesota. Described as a checking line center, we could be shrewd and use him in a bigger role as he will shoot before he passes. He is defense first, and on the top line with Zetter and Pav, he could focus more on offense. The problem is he would contribute to the poor skating problems of the top two lines. If he didn't pan out, we make the logjam at the bottom problem worse while taking money away from resigning our major players. Ray Whitney: Yeah, we all know what he does not bring. I just think he is one of the cheaper major point producers available while adding a righty. We could do worse out of a rental. Patrik Elias: Okay, getting him would mean taking ourselves out of the Parise sweepstakes next season, and would allow NJ to keep them. Now here is why it would be a shrewd. One, the move it allows us to make the Devils happy, and create a stronger trading partner in the future. Two, it would give us a PPG player for two seasons that would mesh extremely well on either top line. Three, it would make it easier for Bert and Franzen to produce more by creating balance in the top six. Four, it would allow Hudler someone to emulate his game upon in a countryman. Five, he also would help the power play. Elias would be the biggest star we could add at the deadline, and would actually help the leadership of the strongest leadership team in the league. His contract would expire in time for our hardship year at the cap, and he could return on a vet level cheap contract afterwards. He provides the best opportunity to add a PPG player the Wings have without sacrificing the future. This is just some ideas, to think outside of the box. Unfortunately, it seems as if these moves are less likely than the world ending at the end of the year. Instead, the Wings will add Paul Gaustad who will not bring anything to the team, but some bad penalties and less ice time or a lost roster spot for players like Emmerton and Mursak. I still say if we are to lose either of those players, I would rather it be a part of a trade for someone with a bigger impact than Gaustad or Moen. I would rather keep what we have than force something stupid. I would rather think outside of the box and take a run at someone like I described.

Any thoughts?

I think, even with loopholes... E is not going anywhere with a broken wrist.

I mean, if we are going to move someone for depth, I would like an upside trade that could be way more.

We already have 21m in space. What on earth could adding more do us? Unless we wanted to add the entire Florida Panthers team to the roster.

I wrote a good long pieces on other options... There is another one on the Kings that should be looked at... Definitively after Brown went Gagner-esk tonight.

I would like to see something different.

True and false. The Wings biggest problem right now is lack of chemistry. Much of that has to do with not having the right guys going to the net to take advantage of the skills we already have. Cleary, Bertuzzi, Franzen, Homer... they all go to the net. None of them mesh well in the top two lines to make it work. Mostly because only Cleary is fast enough to get there in time, but not big enough to push his way there. Combine that with Val, Hudler, Zetter, Pav... all who can't push their way there, and are better suited away from the net.... you have problems. I think Brown and Morrow fit this build of having that combination... Now you can also add a sniper to find soft spots away from the front and make it work. Once again, they need to mesh with the passers. I think Semin, vanek, Pomminville, and Selanne fit the bill... Now... I kind of doubt anything is going to happen with either of these routes... The big problem here is who ever could be had will be costly, and at the same time you have to make sure you would be able to make both top lines work. I think if we were to add Semin... We could find him working well with Pavel on the top line, but then you really have the same problem... Who to add to the top line? Bert? Franzen? Hudler? Cleary? Really anyone you add, the second line STILL has the same problem of having unworkable chemistry. I believe the best set up would be Zetter, Pav, and Brown or Franzen on the top line. Getting a guy who can shoot from the outside and go at the net while allowing the second line to have the other guy. Bert Fil and Franzen has shown an inconsistent but workable scoring touch. Really if Bert would pick up some speed, all of our problems would be solved without any moves. Same goes for Franzen. They both act like anchors for the top two lines. That is why I would put them both together perhaps with Abs, Helm, or Fil and hope they can manage to keep up enough not to allow so many scoring chances. Yet they need someone to make the Euro Twins finish. I would kill to have a Hull type show up. I would like to say, that if Holland was really smart... he would find someone, who isn't a big name, that can play a role like that... You should be able to find a nobody whose style of game would fit in... I mean look at how some other duos in the league can add anyone and they become point producers. Sammeulson did that with the Wings once, and the Canucks once. We should be able to find someone like that, but not him. WE could fix the top two lines by adding people that go to the net, or just adding people whom might have the right mix of other skills to compliment what we do have. Brown would be the best addition. Others that might work well include: Jason Pominville David Clarkson NJ Scott Hartnell T. Plekanec Milan Michalek Drew Stafford Kris Versteeg Michael Ryder Blake Wheeler Matt Cullen Really shrewd moves... Justin Williams might be a great add if not Brown. He has an affordable contract that will last for a few years... but is only 30 years old and brings almost everything the Wings are missing. Quick and gritty in the traffic areas, shoots first and has hit 30 goals before in a similar system in Carolina. Would fit in extremely well on the top line or the second line freeing up Johan to go up top for a power line with Pav and Hank. Daniel Winnik this guy has a ton of shots on net. 151 at time of writing this... and fits the right handed big defensive depth role we were supposedly looking at... but with his size and grit... and the fact he shoots the puck a ton... he could be put on the top line with Pav and Zetter and at the very least form a shutdown line... but could at the best turn into a huge goal scorer. Milan Hejduk right handed, quick release, could be a Hull fixture with the Euro's while coming fairly cheap. PA Parenteau I really like the look of this kid, and think his game is on the rise. UFA and therefore could be cheap. Right handed, will shoot and is ready for a bigger role. The problem is he is a pass first type and would be a better addition to the second line with Val. I believe if you added him next to Val, you would have a similar set up to the top line with the Euro's... Then maybe you have Franzen on the second and Bert on the first and have two balanced top line, each which will have streaks. Kyle Brodziak His contract is friendly though long, so likely wouldn't be moved from Minnesota. Described as a checking line center... we could be shrewd and use him in a bigger role as he will shoot before he passes. He is defense first, and on the top line with Zetter and Pav, he could focus more on offense. The problem is he would contribute to the poor skating problems of the top two lines. If he didn't pan out, we make the logjam at the bottom problem worse while taking money away from resigning our major players. Ray Whitney Yeah, we all know what he doesn't bring. I just think he is one of the cheaper major point producers available while adding a righty. Could do worse out of a rental. Patrik Elias. Okay, getting him would mean taking ourselves out of the Parise sweepstakes next season, and would allow NJ to keep them... now here is why it would be shrewd... it allows us to make the Devils happy, and create a stronger trading partner, would give us a ppg player for two seasons that would mesh extremely well on either top line. Would make it easier for Bert and Franzen to produce more and would allow Hudler someone for him to emulate his game upon. He also would help the power play. Would be the biggest star we could add at the deadline, and would actually help the leadership of the strongest leadership team in the league. His contract would expire in time for our hardship year at the cap, and he could return on a vet level cheap contract afterwards. He provides the best opportunity to add a ppg player the Wings have without sacrificing the future. Bryan Little Younger and better than Hudler, even if he plays a similar game. Yet has a better shot, which makes all the difference in the world. He would score more goals in the same role as Hudler. Has two years on the contract, and could be flipped next year in a deadline deal. If you doubt it, check the scouting report. "Is a good playmaker who can be employed on the wing, as well as his natural center position. Owns a good wrist shot and sound defensive instincts. Is a tireless worker. Can snipe, too." The problem here is Winnipeg most likely would not trade him. I would at least inquire. This is just some ideas, to think outside of the box. Unfortunately, it seems as if these moves are less likely than the world ending at the end of the year. Instead the Wings will add Paul Gaustad who won't bring anything to the team, but some bad penalties and less ice time or a lost roster spot for players like Emmerton and Mursak. I still say if we are to lose either of those players, I would rather it be a part of a trade for someone with a bigger impact than Gustad or Moen. Fighting doesn't win games.

I don't understand the revelation of this thread. Not only is Vancouver competing with us... but I hear there are 28 other teams competing with us. I think that is the definition of a sports league. I would love for us to get Brown, but I think there is more to worry about from inside our franchise than outside. When it comes down to it; you make the best deal you can live with and if someone outbids you, oh well. I would be more worried about the Wings making a mistake for a nobody, then getting beat in a big deal. I don't see anything major happening. Gustad seems to be our only real target, and I think that is an epic fail.

Okay here is the reasoning... They like Brown, but right now he is a 20-30 goal scorer who is hitting the low water mark. They are not looking to replace him, but if he were able to be moved for a player that helped them score more goals- maybe 30-40 range- then they would make that move. Honestly, it isn't likely any move is made with him, but if for example... Hossa is offered up from chicago... they might consider moving Brown for him. They might consider some sort of deal for Semin perhaps... but I just don't see it. Brown is the best guy on the market right now IMO.

Why on earth would anyone want Ott more?!?! He is a punk, he doesn't contribute as much offense or defense. He has cost every team he has been on games with HORRIBLE penalties. I would boo him every time he touched the puck in a Wings uniform. I WOULD RATHER DIE THAN SEE US GIVE UP SOMETHING TO REMOVE CLASS FROM OUR ORGANIZATION!

Bob Duff has quoted Babcock as saying, we are only looking for depth. Which means if the only reason you will pay attention to the deadline is the Wings... You would be happier if you didn't watch. Where did you hear this?

I would call LA and see if Dustin could be gotten. I am not saying we can, or we should if the cost is high. I like the guy and think it would help a ton. I wish it would be as easy as trading E and Hudler.

This is being discussed in like 5 threads right now. Plus is only a rumor... Not that I care, but I always get yelled at for starting threads like this.