theman19

wow,...this is going to be a violent tread,....don't hurt the newbie guys. Thus said, Det. is going to do everything in there power to hold on to dats, and zetts. The reason he didn't accept the long term contract is because he thinks (And probably rightfully so) that his value will increase in two years. Trust me he's not going anywhere. Also said, if we where to trade him, i'd want a gifted playmaking center Gringorenko(yeah nn i know i murdered his name, at least i remember it!) will take care of the physical winger side and we'd need a guy with dats' playmaking abilites. -shazam

yeah i'm pretty sure where going to be seeing quiency (i know that's spelled wrong). i'm worried he's not ready but at this point we don't have a choice. Also at the begining of the year people where just BEGGING that we keep lebda in gr because of his horrible play.

could it be they finaly decided to call him up?

after williams play the last couple of games he definatly needs to be sat. i personally want to see what hudler can do. I'm intrested to see if it was a fluke (his furious goal pace at the begining of the season that is) Bootland is tough one and tough ones are people we need. Flippula had a great preseason. So yeah i'm all for it. Unfortunatly i doubt it'll happen.

yeah why not? and he's not even the guy i really want (even though he's a playmaker who'd love a guy like shanny) i want ruslan in a redwings uniform.

i don't know why but i just now remembered that babcock was there coach last time we played (duh,...) anyway that makes a trade to the ducks even more possible. These's are players he knows very well and would know which of them could help his current club the best.

dude! i'd love mcdonald! he can play the wing if he needs to and has been one of the only bright spots on that team this year.

With the shocker of feds to the jackets (and i was so loving kicking the crap out of them too.) i believe this is going to be the start of one of the craziest trade seasons in recent memory. Alot of teams need a few things and a few teams need a lot of things (st. louis i'm talking to you) irrgardless there's some intresting players out there who might become avaliable if someone meets another teams need Boston needs a D man, they have two rookies playing for quite a few min. and are starting to slip. They could ride it out and hope leetch and zhamnof (i hate russian names) come back quickly or they could look to ship sergei samsonov who is an ufa next season Tampa needs goaltending in the worst possible way right now as john graham has been less then spectacular. I doubt they'll let go of anyone good (fedotenko might be trade bait if he doesn't shape up) but given some other teams desire to rebuild they might get someone decent for a draft pick,...which leads us to our next team Washington needs a whole heck of alot, one thing they don't seem to need anymore are olaf kolzig and brendan witt. Witt asked for a trade and will probably get it but not till the deadline. The leafs have expressed the most intrest in him but who there trying to trade for him (allison and antropov) arn't anything washington needs. Kolzig on the other hand has been rumored to be going to tampa for quite sometime now. New jersey has stopped the bleeding so far with a few games under the win side but it's obvious this team is going to be in rebuilding mode soon. If they continue to struggle look for them to shake up there line up and maybe dump some excess salary. NYR is doing remarkably well but tom poti is still sucking majorly for his club, i doubt anyone will take him and his 2.5 million dollar salary but you never know. Buffalo wants to get ride of biron, but not until miller returns st. louis needs to dump salary now,....unfortuanly under the blessed new cba they may not be able too. Even still i'm sure someone stupid will bite on one of there extremly over-priced players no ones going to trade for ninnama he's not good enough for 2.5 anybody got anything else?

we need toughness and D right freaking now

no no, i'm agreeing with you! two of those 3 guys are going i'm sure.

aebischer from what i hear hasn't been very popular latly and tanguay/hejduk havn't done much this year (or not nearly as much as lapierrier) Where's one of our extremly polite (i'm not being sarcasitic either you guys surprise me) avs fan when you need one?

isn't turco's salary way above what we can afford?

Why would Detroit make a trade for a goalie who has had very limited playoff success when they already have one who has a solid playoff history including a Cup win and another who is playoff untested but certainly capable? thank you for gracing us with your presence eva ( i mean that, i'm not being sarcastic) Good call on the goaltending situation i think if anything we're going after some d and possibly a hard checking right wing.

thank you, but tell me this first, if legacy wins the cup you really think he's going to come back for 1.1? now then on to trade? do you think we can add anything to our roster before the deadline.

all this free cap space? who are we losing exactly? yzerman and chelly don't make very much 3 million between the two of them if that. To keep williams where going to have to pay him more than the 500,000 or so where paying him now. Lids will come back cheaper or not at all but that doesn't mean where going have 12 or 13 million dollars under the cap to spend,....do your research. Who cares if we didn't trade at the deadline for hasek,...again,..not the freaking point. Your point was goalies can't be aquired by teams in blockbuster trades (you said the deadline but that's not what was implied) Who's talking about st. louis and washington? I AM in the first post i made on about this. Don't blame me for totally jacking this thread out of context and ingnoring everything i posted in my first thought. jezzz i'll just delete the bloody thread since no one wants to talk about possible trade senerios and you only want to talk about how much knowledge you have on a trade system that HAS NEVER BEEN USED BEFORE.

again,..missing the point, and yes there is high priced goalies at the deadline sometimes,..can we say dominic hasek? I knew ya could. (traded from buffalo to detroit for kozlov) The point i was trying to make was teams can't just throw money on problems anymore they actually have to be smart with trades. Players that where signed for a ridiculous amount of money and have maxed out ineffective teams caps will be traded. One more thing on the goalie problem if you don't think st.louis will try to pick up a goalie on a trade, and washington isn't trying to get ride of a goalie (kolzig) you have no idea what's going on.

it doesn't. It prevents teams like us from going out and picking up a 4 million dollar d-man to cover our lines. It also keeps a team like tampa from covering there goalie holes by trading for a high priced goalie. Notice i didn't say we sucked, but tampa's goaltending sure is. Under the old system they'd just throw money on it and pick someone up. Use your head! It has nothing to do with bad teams with low payroles, and yes that's exactly what columbus did. However teams like columbus historically would have never had that chance to pick up a player like feds under the nhl pre-cba because the ducks would have found no reason to let go of his large salary. (brian burke issues aside) What makes this trade season different is the fact that the succesful teams (like my beloved wings unfortunatly) can't just go out and trade for a ridiculous player who's on a bad team. High priced players on struggling teams will not last, and only the teams who have cap room are goign to be able to participate in the big trades unless someone gets cut loose who's in the very least a big dollar player. Therefore i go back to my above statement there are going to be more blockbuster trades (not in numbers persay but in quality) this year.

how about a new system where if you suck you just can't add more talent to replace holes. i think the cba will put alot of teams in the hunt for a trade. I never said it was going to be a trade happy year, only that it was going to be crazy. meaning not alot of trade but some key players going in different directions.

i'm gonna break from tradition and agree with heaton, he's one of the greatest goalies ever but he didn't do anything special in detroit that mike vernon or even chris osgood (oh boy,..let world war three comence) didn't do. Honestly he had a decent series against the avs (Even though game 7 was a joke,..and a funny one too, i hope your butthole still hurts roy) but against carolina i could have played goal and won that series.

If Detroit can get something decent in exchange for Liv, I say go ahead. He's not even close to Lundquist. as i've said a million times we need a power foward,..we have some good goalie prospects seems like a no brainer.

Yes, but our top prospects are still playing in the AHL, OHL, Sweden, etc, while those teams that are considered to have the best prospects already have them with the big club. good call, but all that says is we have a better team now and don't have a roster spot for them. So my question is if hudler, kronwall (if he wasn't hurt) and howard we're all doing well and playing on our team would we have better prospects?

yeah hudler's only leading destroying the ahl almost every game he plays in i'm sure lots of teams have players like him. Plus almost everyteam has a goalie like howard that set records in his leauge for his incredible play. I know for a fact every team also has a defensive prospect like kronwall who won ahl defencemen of the year award,... sarcasm off Just because we dont' have size or a power foward doesn't mean this team doesn't have some incredible prospects on there hands. I know there are teams with better prospects (carolina with Ladd and Johnson if he ever plays) minn. the habs,...but to say where not in the top ten is underjudging our talent.

historically we'd trade a guy like liv to address one of our problems at the deadline. i'd like to see us get a somewhat proven but currently struggling power forward. Time will tell.

sure it could have,..if that nicer team was colorado.

bell would solve our power foward problem and might even play right wing for us, if he can do that he'd be very valuable down the stretch. Personally the hawks are looking like there trying to unload the first team stupid enough to take on khabulaint and when they do there going to need a goalie. While we have a prospect tearing up the swede elite leauge he's a bit long in the tooth for a prospect so i'd gladly deal him and a 4 rd pick for bell.