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You mean like how Shawn Simpson is still waiting for those deets.

Not that I wish injury upon any of our players, but a training camp injury to the right one certainly would help.

The inevitable

TRADE ALERT

Handsomely at that!

Nobody asks what *I* think!

Do I think they will? Yes. Do I think they should? No. ...you would think GMs would learn? Agreed. We have no business trading for Erik Karlsson.

This was my point. I think teams should be patient because why give up assets you don't have to for an additional year. Karlsson isn't staying. Ottawa knows it. They want teams to make their deal now so they can dictate the return on the trade. If you make your best offer mid-year when talks have cooled off and the Sens start to worry, they will probably take it. (Not that I think anyone is going to stop talking about this until Erik Karlsson is no longer a Sen.) Even if you push it to the deadline and you end up bidding with teams at a slightly higher rate, it will still certainly be less than what it'll cost you this summer.

The Sens are thinking they can get FIVE QUALITY assets for him NOW. ...teams should just wait. As things slowly creep towards Karlsson walking for nothing in return, those prices are going to go down. Sharply.

Then I return to my previous question: If not Svech? What is it that the Wings have that the Canes might want? Is AA the cornerstone piece? If so... then in a friggin' heartbeat I move the guy. For all the reasons mentioned by Neo.

I mean, didn't we (Wings Fans) want it to be "a thing" Nevermind. Reading is fundamental.

Wingers are a dime a dozen, no?

what does carolina need or want?

HOW ABOUT WE TRADE SOME OF THESE FORWARDS FOR.... I DUNNO... A ROSTER SPOT OR TWO AND A PROSPECT(S) AND PICK(S)? god i need to stop yelling.

Guess Zadina needs to fill some of his own netminders' nets in camp. He seems hungry. I don't think he can possibly *want* to go back to Junior.

Drizzling s***s. This/this, and this and this = see above.

All of THIS. Do we really need to do to our very green (no relation,) very young defensive prospects what many a team has done during a rebuild? "Hey! Throw 'em out there! There's no better way to learn than to just play in the league!" How's that worked out? Unless they were high end talent with a winning culture around them. Not. Very. Effn'. Well. Also -- Green wasn't signed to get us to the playoffs. Green is a band-aid trying to cover up a giant sucking wound on the back-end.

Even @55fan gotta know her chocolate bunny is hanging on into May when Easter was in late March. Also, I hyperbole. Much. So don't get your knickers in too much of a bunch.

Overstocked with what? Crap? On this team, Green is like fancy dark chocolate bar amongst a cupboard of KitKats. I wanna have at least one chocolate bar I actually WANT TO EAT. Keep it full. Kids will get their chances. KitKats falling out of the cupboard all of the time and inedible. Melting. I could go on... ---- Ok. ...because Kick did, so I will. Who are you @kickazz? @55fan's proxy? Stuck on Kronner are we? Well he's half a melted KitKat that's been dropped in a pile of ants that my three year old son still thinks is edible. That's Kronner for ya. Sure, the kids need to learn... but they don't need to be broken. Let's say you jettison Green. Kronwall goes down to an inevitable injury. Who they learning from Jonathan Ericsson? Danny DeKeyser? Dekeyser is still learning himself. Sure, you might pair a youngster with Deke, but when they become your first pairing because you don't have veterans to fall back on... who's learning anything other than how to lose? You can't have a quality rebuild by having ZERO stability. Larkin didn't just learn how to become who he is from Henrik Zetterberg alone. Also, collegiate hockey is NOT the AHL.

Floodgates now open for business.

Two words: Market. Pricing. More words: He played 66 games and got 33 points. $181k per point. There's dudes with much "better" resumes, playing more games, scoring less points, making more money. Look it up. To keep a guy, you gotta pay a guy. You think he wouldn't sign somewhere else for less with a better shot at a cup? [insert pic of Mike Green thinking... or more like Mike Green listening to his agent] "Hmmm. I can take two years at 3 million in the off-season to play on a team that will make the playoffs and have a better chance at the cup, but I don't have certainty of minutes, or where I'll slot in on the team OR I can take two years at nearly 6 million, play for a team where I'll be getting top pairing minutes, be on PP1, etc. AND THEN after the majority of the season is over and I see where teams stand and their chances, and the trade deadline looms, I can hand Kenny a list of teams I'll be willing to go to..." See more "prime" ranting in the rebuild thread.

It's TWO. It's not 3, 4, or 5. It's TWO. Are we any of our kids helping us contend in two years? Are all of our defensemen invulnerable this year and next? There will be no call ups for injuries, etc? Additionally, cap-wise; it's very likely, under value. Moreso, despite what a gigantic bunch of you ninnies think, a NTC is not the end all and be all of Green being tradeable. Do any of you think that Green DOESN'T want a cup? Do any of you think that Green wouldn't waive that NTC to go win a cup on a contending team? Do you think if asked for a list of teams, Green is just gonna say, "Nah. I'm good. Lingering here with my career fading away quickly is just fine." ...but I digress, none of the above is worth discussing with any of you anyway because Holland won't get a first rounder for Green, so it's all moot, amirite? Plain and simple, and please, listen. Read: GREEN IS A STOPGAP. You may not like that it's a two year deal but, as @krsmith17 said, Green is not the player holding a spot from the kids in 2019-2020. Green can mentor kids better than Kronwall in 2018-19/19-20 BECAUSE HE'S ACTUALLY NOT A BROKEN DOWN OLD MAN (sorry @55fan) and he will not be here in 2019-2020. Ericsson might be here in 2019-20, but he is servicable when paired with the right guy and also god forbid I said it -- tradeable! You can complain about that contract extension as much as you like, but it's OLD NEWS. Ancient times. I don't care how indicative it is of Holland behavior. I don't like it, but WTF man, you can only ***** about it SO MUCH. @krsmith17 also mentions DeKeyser, but I haven't given up hope on Danny. We always overvalue our prospects, ESPECIALLY OUR DEFENSIVE PROSPECTS as it's our most glaring need!! If nothing else, he could be a solid second pairing guy, and let's be realistic -- DD is not getting traded. However... GREEN IS EASILY TRADEABLE TO A TEAM THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY WANT HIM. WHATEVER ASSETS WE GET FROM TRADING GREEN ARE ASSETS WE DIDN'T HAVE. WE GAVE UP NOTHING BUT CASH FOR GREEN - NO PICKS, NO PLAYERS, NO PROSPECTS - TO FILL THE GIGANTIC GAPING HOLE WE HAVE ALONG OUR BLUELINE. THAT HOLE ISN'T GOING AWAY BECAUSE GREEN ISN'T SIGNED AND CHOLO COMES UP. Let's not pretend ANY of our defensive prospects right now are going to come into the league and burn it down. Should they get some time? ABSOLUTELY. Should they have veterans along side them to ensure they don't get exposed for what they most certainly are (developing prospects) ? Most certainly, YES. Would it be nice to have Kronwall's or Ericsson's spot open for a youngster this year? Sure... but you're not gonna trade Kronner, so you've have another year of Kronner bouncing back and forth on LITR and again, in all likelihood, two years with Ericsson. IF, in the year 2020, GM Ken Holland offers any combination of one or more of Mike Green, Jonathan Ericsson, or Trevor Daley another two or three year extension. I will then blow a gasket. Meanwhile, I'm gon' be over here worried more about our foward corps and how we're stunting THOSE prospects. /endGreen/DEFENSErant

What’d I miss?

Maybe the second wasn't to take Fleury but rather incentive to not take someone else. Just because everyone thought Fleury would be their selection from the Pens doesn't mean GMGM didn't tease that he might take someone else... Anyway... good for the Golden Knights. The team. The management. Their fans. ALL OF IT. I love watching other "more deserving" teams and their playoff drought, no Cup, "long suffering" fans crybaby their way through the playoffs and offseason. BOOFREAKINHOO.

this is inevitable.