egroen 384 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 I am dieing to see how Burke digs himself out of this hole. Ducks are over the cap. Schneider *and* Marchant have to be moved if they expect to get Selanne back, and those contracts are not going to field the best returns. Then, even if they can move Schneider, they only have 6 defencemen currently signed and will have to find another, much cheaper, to fill in. It's a big ol' cluster-bleep over there in Anaheim. I'm loving it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Thrashers? Isles? Yotes? None of those teams are really desperate for offensive Dmen, but they have the space to take on Schneiders contract to put them over the cap floor. Then again, Im not sure how many RFAs those teams have to re-sign. But this puts the Ducks well above the cap by a few million at least. Schneiders on the outs it seems.. Where did you get that from? The Ducks are sitting at $54.463 right now, and Morrison only made $3.2 million last year. If he gets a contract even similar to that it'll put the Ducks right at the Cap limit, but certainly not over by a few million atleast. That being said, the Ducks do need to sign atleast one more Dman seeing as that they only have 6 under contract at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Where did you get that from? The Ducks are sitting at $54.463 right now, and Morrison only made $3.2 million last year. If he gets a contract even similar to that it'll put the Ducks right at the Cap limit, but certainly not over by a few million atleast. That being said, the Ducks do need to sign atleast one more Dman seeing as that they only have 6 under contract at this point. Absolutely wrong. Without Morrison they sit at 56,385,000* .. that gives them 315k space. * 2 goalies; 6 defencemen; 12 forwards Now, they added Morrison, he took no less than 2 million (he refused Nucks 1.9 million a year offer). So they are above the cap for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Absolutely wrong. Without Morrison they sit at 56,385,000* .. that gives them 315k space. * 2 goalies; 6 defencemen; 12 forwards Now, they added Morrison, he took no less than 2 million (he refused Nucks 1.9 million a year offer). So they are above the cap for sure. Where are you getting that number from? Because NHLnumbers.com says you're absolutely wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Also, Reds4Life, the Ducks have 13 offensemen signed, not 12. Whether they'll play Wirtanen or not is another issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Also, Reds4Life, the Ducks have 13 offensemen signed, not 12. Whether they'll play Wirtanen or not is another issue. NHLNumbers are not always accurate. NHLscap.com is better. http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=ANA They are way over the cap at the moment, that's for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 NHLNumbers are not always accurate. NHLscap.com is better. http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=ANA They are way over the cap at the moment, that's for sure. Can I ask what makes hockeybuzz more accurate than NHL Numbers.com? What basis do you have for that reasoning? I will agree that NHLScap.com is also very good, but according to their site when you add up the players that will count against the cap, they are not at the $56 million mark hockeybuzz indicates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 One year $2.75 million. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 In any case - over the cap or right up against it - Burke's in trouble. Again. And, surprise surprise, the rest of the league knows it. Bryzgalov part deux. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
egroen 384 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 How hilarious would it be if he actually had to buy Schneider *and* Marchant out??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zion 93 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 That would be nothing short of amazing, and I hope NHL GMs hose them. They're now a one-line team with 3 checking lines and a great defense and a pillow for a goalie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 (edited) Where did you get that from? The Ducks are sitting at $54.463 right now, and Morrison only made $3.2 million last year. If he gets a contract even similar to that it'll put the Ducks right at the Cap limit, but certainly not over by a few million atleast. That being said, the Ducks do need to sign atleast one more Dman seeing as that they only have 6 under contract at this point. Your cap numbers are wrong. The Ducks sit at 59M on the cap hit. Edit: With Morrison. 2nd Edit: The discrepancy between NHLscap.com and NHLnumbers.com is that Bobby Ryans salary + bonuses are not included on NHLnumbers.com. Ryan (with bonuses that now have to be accounted for on the cap) adds nearly 2M in cap space. Edited July 8, 2008 by YoungGuns1340 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Your cap numbers are wrong. The Ducks sit at 57.2M on the cap hit. Yeah, *now* they do. They didn't this morning before Morrison's salary was released. At that point, my number was 100% correct. $57.213 million (Current Cap Number) - $2.75 million (Morrison's Contract) $54.463 million Which is exactly what I said this morning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Bobby Ryan's numbers aren't included because they are a potential performance bonus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edicius 3,269 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Bobby Ryan's numbers aren't included because they are a potential performance bonus. Actually, with there being no CBA extension in place (yet) for next season, isn't this one of those situations where potential performance bonuses have to count against this season's cap? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Except they had the same thing last year and fared well because they have a well-achieving defense on the scoring front. Besides, almost assuredly, the Ducks will try to make a splash at some point in the season to either further solidify their defense or add some needed shot in the arm to their offense. Given their favoring toward defense (right behind the Wings in best defense in the league, amongst the worst in scoring as a team) I wouldn't be surprised if they went that route, or re-signed Schneider. Wrong, wrong, and wrong again. 1. Schneider doesn't need to be re-signed. He is signed. In fact, the exact opposite is going to happen with Schneider. He is going to be traded, as they are already over the cap as it is and have a self-imposed budget around the 50M mark. Their budget hit for this year so far is 56M (cap hit is 59M). They need to trade Schneider if they even want to make their budget, and that still doesnt give them room to sign Selanne, which likely means Marchant is on his way out if the Samuellis stick to their guns on the budget. They will also have to replace Schneider with someone much less offensively capable. 2. The Ducks did not fare well in the scoring deparment. They were 28th in goals scored through 82 games. That problem carried over to the playoffs. 3. The Ducks will not be making any splashes to solidify their scoring corps. They have no money now and trading Schneider and Marchant (if they can actually pawn this guy off with his cap hit) will only barely make room for Selanne and Schneiders replacement, assuming the two combine for 2.5M ( a very conservative estimate). They need to clear 6M to get down to their budget. Schneider and Marchant account for 8.1M. That leaves Anaheim with 2.1M to sign Selanne and add a Dman replacement. Considering they can no longer bloat Selannes paycheck with bonuses, he'll have to take a significant paycut (~2M) to play for the team and the Dman they sign should play for around league minimum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Bobby Ryan's numbers aren't included because they are a potential performance bonus. All performance bonuses must be accounted for in the cap space starting this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 (edited) Actually, with there being no CBA extension in place (yet) for next season, isn't this one of those situations where potential performance bonuses have to count against this season's cap? Yes. Thats why NHLscap has it right, and NHLnumbers.com isnt. The guy who runs NHLscap.com is more or less an independent capologist. Edited July 8, 2008 by YoungGuns1340 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Actually, with there being no CBA extension in place (yet) for next season, isn't this one of those situations where potential performance bonuses have to count against this season's cap? I don't think so. The Blue Jackets have players that have potential performance bonuses that run through the 10/11 season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reds4Life 51 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 (edited) I don't think so. The Blue Jackets have players that have potential performance bonuses that run through the 10/11 season. Here: http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie/?id=242079 Because there is a clause in the CBA that says in the final year of the contract - this one coming up - there is no provision permitted for the Performance Bonus Cushion So you were wrong About NHLscap..I have experienced several errors at NHLNumbers.com in past, but I also use it more often because I like the design more. But the fact is, NHLscap.com is more reliable and better overall. Edited July 8, 2008 by Reds4Life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 I don't think so. The Blue Jackets have players that have potential performance bonuses that run through the 10/11 season. http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie/?id=242079 Because there is a clause in the CBA that says in the final year of the contract - this one coming up - there is no provision permitted for the Performance Bonus Cushion. And what exactly does that mean and why should we care? Basically, the performance bonus "cushion" allows teams to exceed the salary cap number if it's on earned performance bonuses and defer it against the next year's salary cap. Now, this season, that cannot happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungGuns1340 1 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 About NHLscap..I have experienced several errors at NHLNumbers.com in past, but I also use it more often because I like the design more. But the fact is, NHLscap.com is more reliable and better overall. Haha looks like we posted pretty much the exact same thing. At any rate, Im with you. NHLnumbers is good cause its easier to view IMO, but whoever runs it does so for mostly for the purpose of a quick look at salary terms. On the other hand, the guy who runs NHLscap.com knows all kinds of random crap about the CBA.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Here: http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie/?id=242079 So you were wrong TBH, I'm not sure. Why does NHLScap.com have performance bonuses listed through 10/11 if they aren't allowed to do so? About NHLscap..I have experienced several errors at NHLNumbers.com in past, but I also use it more often because I like the design more. But the fact is, NHLscap.com is more reliable and better overall. No doubt NHLNumbers.com is easier to read, but it really bugs me that the site (NHLnumbers) can't keep this stuff straight if thats the case. As closely as I follow hockey and I like to think all my sources are credible, I'm pretty disappointed if this is the case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeverForgetMac25 483 Report post Posted July 8, 2008 Basically, the performance bonus "cushion" allows teams to exceed the salary cap number if it's on earned performance bonuses and defer it against the next year's salary cap. Now, this season, that cannot happen. While, I'm not saying I deny this, why does NHLSCAP have them listed through 10/11? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
