You're the GM

[Reds4Life 51]

Why him or Lilja? Because "we" at LGW don't like them and they must be expendable in Kenny's mind as well as a result?

First and foremost, the member I quoted stated they'd move Sammy now for cap space or picks/prospects. They didn't say anything about waiting until the deadline, so I wasn't referring to that. $1.2 million for the season for Sammy is beyond fair. The deadline is a completely different issue.

Now, why would any team in the NHL trade a rental to the Red Wings at the deadline for another player that will become an UFA at the end of the season (which is what Sammy's situation is)? What possible purpose would that serve the team that makes a deal with the Wings at the deadline? Sure, it would help the Wings' cap situation given proration, but why would another team want Sammy in return for one of their elite?

Next, Lilja was just signed as an UFA. He is not going to be moved unless you want to break the cardinal rule of UFA signings. Lilja will not be moved.....not even at the trade deadline. You can mark that.

Lastly, I don't understand how the majority of LGW thinks Kenny's a God for bringing in and signing the players he does yet how can he not see how "worthless" Lilja and Sammy are? I just don't understand how members of this site don't understand what Kenny is trying to accomplish and the gameplan he's been using ever since he's been here, and moreso even since the Salary Cap was instituted.

Excellent post! I could not agree more!

Also, Sammy he who basically singlehandedly won game 1 of the SC finals this year for the Red Wings, only makes 1.2 million. Lilja is pretty good 6th defenceman, and for 1.25 a year? Bargain.

Edited July 8, 2008 by Reds4Life

[e_144 0]

ummm Manny Legace will not get you a top 4 d-man, think of it this way would you trade Kronwall for Legace? Stuart?

And there is no way they get a legit Second liner for him either, he has proven to be a great back up mediocre starter, there is not a high demand for that around the league.

i disagree....

many legace had a better save percentage than kipper, miller, nabakov. In terms of stats, he was in the top half of all goalies last year, despite with having a less than adequate defense helping out.

and of course you cant get a kronvall for legace, but thats because in most team, kronvall could be a number 2 defenseman....but perhaps we could get someone like robidas or guerin. or may be even trade up. say legace plus next years 2nd round pick for.

[Opie 308]

I'm sorry I was basing my opinion of Manny Legace off of more than just one stat.

[e_144 0]

Excellent post! I could not agree more!

Also, Sammy he who basically singlehandedly won game 1 of the SC finals this year for the Red Wings, only makes 1.2 million. Lilja is pretty good 6th defenceman, and for 1.25 a year? Bargain.

i see your point(s) BUT just because something is bargain doesn't mean you need it. but it does mean that you can use it in our advantage...

if both players come so cheap, but there is so much debate as to whether they are "getting in the way" of young players and their ice-time. then may be they are more valuable to us as 'trade bate". personally, i dont like lilja and sami. i dont see why meech and lebda cant be our 5th and 6th man, and rotate on occasion for the young guys. same goes for helm and kopecky. i'd prefer to see them get some ice-time.

in face, may be we should have trade lilja or sami for legace or even mason instead of conklin...

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

i see your point(s) BUT just because something is bargain doesn't mean you need it. but it does mean that you can use it in our advantage...

if both players come so cheap, but there is so much debate as to whether they are "getting in the way" of young players and their ice-time. then may be they are more valuable to us as 'trade bate". personally, i dont like lilja and sami. i dont see why meech and lebda cant be our 5th and 6th man, and rotate on occasion for the young guys. same goes for helm and kopecky. i'd prefer to see them get some ice-time.

Not liking a player is not a valid reason for getting rid of them.

in face, may be we should have trade lilja or sami for legace or even mason instead of conklin...

Why would the Wings trade (or better yet get rid of bargain players that bring solid depth) when they can sign a goaltender that cost nothing in terms of players and for a mere $750,000?

Legace is going to make $2.5 million this year. To put that in perspective, that's $800,00 more than Osgood! Mason will be making $3 million next year and he's signed through 2010. On top of those things, neither Legace or Mason have shown they can lead a team anywhere in the postseason.

Than to top it all off, you take away more cap space from the Wings when they don't have a ton of it to deal with if they want to make a move at the deadline.

Sorry, but I'm not seeing the logic in trading Sammy or Lilja for either of those two.

[skippy_kenn 0]

I am the GM of Washington;

We finished strong but last year but I believe we are a team on the move up,

with so many signings leaving the east for the west I believe with what we have done this offseason,

we have made ourselves a power house for the next couple of years plus are recent draft picks coming up in

the next few yrs should solidify our group here.

1.) sign huet to 4-5 yr deal

2.) sign a back up Goalie if Kolzig wanted to leave I would not stop him but,

I would have sat down with him asking to hang on for another year or 2,

and then make him a office position as he has been the face of the org for awhile.

3.) gone after Hossa to the best of my ability but would lose out to the almighty himself.

4.) signed Mirslav Satan and Brendan Shanahan for deepth. 2 yr deal each

5.) sign a vetran defensemen aka Rob Blake. 3-4 yr deal

[Opie 308]

i see your point(s) BUT just because something is bargain doesn't mean you need it. but it does mean that you can use it in our advantage...

if both players come so cheap, but there is so much debate as to whether they are "getting in the way" of young players and their ice-time. then may be they are more valuable to us as 'trade bate". personally, i dont like lilja and sami. i dont see why meech and lebda cant be our 5th and 6th man, and rotate on occasion for the young guys. same goes for helm and kopecky. i'd prefer to see them get some ice-time.

in face, may be we should have trade lilja or sami for legace or even mason instead of conklin...

WOW, so many things in that post make me shake my head, bring back Legace who is now a starter, but in order to do it they have to trade with the Blues who have such a great history or good relations with the Wings.

Plus you want to give up spots that vets have proven they can hold and do a better than average job at, for unproven untested commodities? Lebda played the PK how many times? Meech? Lilja? How many blocked shots did Lebda have this year?

You can't just plug in names, that is why most all star type rosters fail, you need pluggers, you need some one to block shots, you can't just say because Meech is a better skater than Lilja he should play over him.

So because something is a bargain doesn't mean you need it, no, but if that bargain was a large player in your team winning the cup it is a better idea to keep it around than to trade it off for picks and plug in an unproven commodity that plays A) a different position (Kopecky Helm are centers not wingers) B) has no where near the scoring touch and C) IS UNPROVEN.

Mason or Legace are way more expensive than Conklin, you do know there is a salary cap right?

Are you a Blues fan trying to get rid of Legace?

[e_144 0]

I'm sorry I was basing my opinion of Manny Legace off of more than just one stat.

yeah, so was I.

the point is, for team that performed as bad as they did last year. (dont forget, not only were they 2nd last in the conference but central division was also worst in the west (with the exception of ourselves of course - and we didnt even play that well in our own division!)) they shouldnt be having the luxuries of a goalie combo that they have while they struggle to score the way they did last year. the blues lack offensive capabilities and leadership. we can expect johnson to get better, but boyes can't do everything on his own. Kariya is only getting older and isnt the offensive player he once was. and they lack leadership. brewer isnt the type of guy to get this team going in the right direction. thats why i think they really should try and bring in a player like guerin...

[e_144 0]

Not liking a player is not a valid reason for getting rid of them.

I agree. But what i meant was that I dont like the way they fit in the system very well....

-------------

Why would the Wings trade (or better yet get rid of bargain players that bring solid depth) when they can sign a goaltender that cost nothing in terms of players and for a mere $750,000?

Legace is going to make $2.5 million this year. To put that in perspective, that's $800,00 more than Osgood! Mason will be making $3 million next year and he's signed through 2010. On top of those things, neither Legace or Mason have shown they can lead a team anywhere in the postseason.

Than to top it all off, you take away more cap space from the Wings when they don't have a ton of it to deal with if they want to make a move at the deadline.

Sorry, but I'm not seeing the logic in trading Sammy or Lilja for either of those two.

I was refering a previous discussion on the blues GM thing. I didnt actaully realize Legace is getting 2.5m. From a wings point of view, conklin is a much better deal. But seeing as this thread is supposed to get people to try and see teams from their GMs point of view, I was trying to point out that spending 5.5mil on goalies is too much for a team that doesnt have goalie trouble but a lot of trouble scoring....

-------------

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

yeah, so was I.

the point is, for team that performed as bad as they did last year. (dont forget, not only were they 2nd last in the conference but central division was also worst in the west (with the exception of ourselves of course - and we didnt even play that well in our own division!)) they shouldnt be having the luxuries of a goalie combo that they have while they struggle to score the way they did last year. the blues lack offensive capabilities and leadership. we can expect johnson to get better, but boyes can't do everything on his own. Kariya is only getting older and isnt the offensive player he once was. and they lack leadership. brewer isnt the type of guy to get this team going in the right direction. thats why i think they really should try and bring in a player like guerin...

First and foremost, the Blues can't "try and bring in a player like Guerin". He's signed through the upcoming season for the Isles. It's not like he's an UFA that they can just add with their $11 mill in cap space.

Speaking of cap space, if Legace is so good why wouldn't the Blues just keep him since they're only 1 forward short of a starting lineup (not roster)?

they shouldnt be having the luxuries of a goalie combo that they have while they struggle to score the way they did last year.

I'm fairly certain their goalie combo isn't striking the utmost fear from any NHL team. They have two 1B's at best and more realistically two 2A's in their goaltenders.

I'm sorry, but I'm starting to get even more lost by your reasoning.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I was refering a previous discussion on the blues GM thing. I didnt actaully realize Legace is getting 2.5m. From a wings point of view, conklin is a much better deal. But seeing as this thread is supposed to get people to try and see teams from their GMs point of view, I was trying to point out that spending 5.5mil on goalies is too much for a team that doesnt have goalie trouble but a lot of trouble scoring....

-------------

9.7% of the teams cap on for your goaltending position is hardly "too much" to be spending, especially when your team has the cap room to make a decent splash in the UFA market.

[Guest Dump-N-Thump]

edit i dont know what im talking about

Edited July 8, 2008 by Dump-N-Thump

[e_144 0]

WOW, so many things in that post make me shake my head, bring back Legace who is now a starter, but in order to do it they have to trade with the Blues who have such a great history or good relations with the Wings.

Plus you want to give up spots that vets have proven they can hold and do a better than average job at, for unproven untested commodities? Lebda played the PK how many times? Meech? Lilja? How many blocked shots did Lebda have this year?

You can't just plug in names, that is why most all star type rosters fail, you need pluggers, you need some one to block shots, you can't just say because Meech is a better skater than Lilja he should play over him.

So because something is a bargain doesn't mean you need it, no, but if that bargain was a large player in your team winning the cup it is a better idea to keep it around than to trade it off for picks and plug in an unproven commodity that plays A) a different position (Kopecky Helm are centers not wingers) B) has no where near the scoring touch and C) IS UNPROVEN.

Mason or Legace are way more expensive than Conklin, you do know there is a salary cap right?

Are you a Blues fan trying to get rid of Legace?

first off...forget the blues deal, that was just an idea from blues GM point of view. I dont want legace BUT this thread is about being GM of another team (see my reply to Mac 25).

second, so many things shake my head in your post make me shake my head....

- proven vets? lilja hasnt proven anything except that he wont ever get any better than mediocre and that he makes too many mistakes.

- samuelson and scoring touch? they have nothing to do with each other! samuelson had 5 goals in the playoffs. 2 of those goals were in that ridiculous (BUT AWESOME GAME) where we anhilated the avs. 1 of them was real lucky shot that went in against the pens. the only other one i can remember was a pretty nice wrap-around against the pens as well. but all in all, in the playoffs his performance was weak. after Z he took the most shots of all wings (79) of which 5 went in. he had a lot of giveaways, few blocked shots, and he doesnt play a physical game. so how bout that scoring touch?

-correct me if i am wrong. but i am pretty sure kopecky can play center as well as right wing.

-i agree with you that you cant just plug in names. you need guys who fit right into the system. meech, lebda, helm, kopecky, quincy. these are all guys who could play at nhl level. instead they are being sidelined for players who have proven than they dont contribute. IMO the red wings are a dream team, and perhaps they are better with lilja and sami. but i think we should play some the the younger players for the sake of developing as a dream team. last year we won SC. may be you shouldnt change a winning formula, but the two weak links in the team last year were those two players, why not replace them if it opens up other opportunities?

[e_144 0]

First and foremost, the Blues can't "try and bring in a player like Guerin". He's signed through the upcoming season for the Isles. It's not like he's an UFA that they can just add with their $11 mill in cap space.

Speaking of cap space, if Legace is so good why wouldn't the Blues just keep him since they're only 1 forward short of a starting lineup (not roster)?

I'm fairly certain their goalie combo isn't striking the utmost fear from any NHL team. They have two 1B's at best and more realistically two 2A's in their goaltenders.

I'm sorry, but I'm starting to get even more lost by your reasoning.

bring in a player LIKE guerin

and your right, their goalie combo isnt striking the utmost fear from any NHL team. But they certainly are making no impression whatsoever on other teams with their scoring or physical play, or even defensive consistency. Time to upgrade!

[Opie 308]

Lilja has proven time and time again that he can kill penalties, which of the D-men you mentioned can kill penalties at the NHL, not do you think can, which ones are known penalty killers?

Sammy has a hell of a lot more scoring touch than either Helm or Kopecky have shown. 5 goals in the playoffs including the first ever 2 unassisted goals to start a game, including a game winner in a SCF game.

Don't get caught up in the bashing of players on this board, it is a whipping boy ideal, not a this player is actually only worth a bag of pucks.

Let me know the last time Kopecky, Helm, Abdelkader, Leino or any of the other youngsters scored a 40 point season, or had an NHL season in which they scored more than 10 goals, let alone 23. Also look up the last time any of them scored 5 goals in the post season, better yet tell me how many wings scored 5+ goals in the playoffs? (I'll give you a hint, there were 3 who scored more than him and 2 that scored as many as he did).

So I guess no one on the wings has a scoring touch, not Huds, not flip.

Then you add to the fact that Sammy is defensively responsible.

YES Lilja and Sammy make mistakes but wasn't Lids who put a puck in his own net this season?

I am not comparing either of them to Lids, but if he is the best player in the world (IMO he is) and even he makes mistakes what do you expect from depth guys?

I will wager that Maltby or Mac were larger weaknesses than Sammy or Lilja.

But Maltby has been a wing for so long you can not knock on him, because once he was a very good agitator and he used to be a great pker. He lives more on his past reputation than anything he has done recently.

Edited July 8, 2008 by Opie

[skippy_kenn 0]

I am the GM of Chicago We had a great rebuilding year with our young guns.

We were in the playoff hunt till the last week and finished 3 points out of 8th in the west.

This year we are looking for depth we would like to add a vetrean defesemen and a young

goalie.

1.) Sign Brian Campbell to a long term deal

2.) Try to sign Dan Ellis if he makes it to UFA. He did not so I would not sign Huet

(Bad deal sign a 33 yr old goalie when I have a 35 yr old currently)

nope wait till next year and go for Aubin, Jean-Sebastien or 2 yrs for Luongo or Cam Ward

3.) sign Reasoner, Marty or Mike York to a 4 yr deal

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

bring in a player LIKE guerin

and your right, their goalie combo isnt striking the utmost fear from any NHL team. But they certainly are making no impression whatsoever on other teams with their scoring or physical play, or even defensive consistency. Time to upgrade!

When did I say they shouldn't upgrade? I couldn't agree more, and they have $11 million in cap room to do so.

Trading Legace or Mason isn't the solution to STL's problems. That's the point.

[e_144 0]

Lilja has proven time and time again that he can kill penalties, which of the D-men you mentioned can kill penalties at the NHL, not do you think can, which ones are known penalty killers?

Sammy has a hell of a lot more scoring touch than either Helm or Kopecky have shown. 5 goals in the playoffs including the first ever 2 unassisted goals to start a game, including a game winner in a SCF game.

Don't get caught up in the bashing of players on this board, it is a whipping boy ideal, not a this player is actually only worth a bag of pucks.

Let me know the last time Kopecky, Helm, Abdelkader, Leino or any of the other youngsters scored a 40 point season, or had an NHL season in which they scored more than 10 goals, let alone 23.

Then you add to the fact that Sammy is defensively responsible.

YES Lilja and Sammy make mistakes but wasn't Lids who put a puck in his own net this season?

I am not comparing either of them to Lids, but if he is the best player in the world (IMO he is) and even he makes mistakes what do you expect from depth guys?

I will wager that Maltby or Mac were larger weaknesses than Sammy or Lilja.

But Maltby has been a wing for so long you can not knock on him, because once he was a very good agitator and he used to be a great pker. He lives more on his past reputation than anything he has done recently.

your comparing players who have been in the nhl for a while to these youngsters. but you cant. they are promising prospects but thers is no way you can compare them. they have to prove themselves at the highest level first. if you dont give them ice-time then will never be comparable. (although, IMO helm was awesome in the playoffs).

lilja is a good PK. unfortunately, we dont really have a defenseman with his style of play coming up from the minor leagues soon, but sami is def replaceable. may be half way through the season we can try leino out in the nhl. i wonder what he can do. he won the lasse oksanen trophy last year (mvp of reg season). a trophy tim thomas, miettinen and koivu won...may be promising....

and yes, i also agree that players should be able to make mistakes they are only human (except stevie Y - he has superpowers or something) but while its understandable that a rookie or 4th line enforcer makes a mistake, its not if a stay-at-home (PK) defensive does or a 2nd line player does....

[e_144 0]

When did I say they shouldn't upgrade? I couldn't agree more, and they have $11 million in cap room to do so.

Trading Legace or Mason isn't the solution to STL's problems. That's the point.

no but trading him (or mason) would provide even more opportunities...

I have to admitt though, i just checked out the blues boards and there is absolutely no discussion about possible UFA signings or even rumours about anything happening....they better do something soon...otherwise they could see a repeat of last year...or worse...

Edited July 8, 2008 by e_144

[e_144 0]

I am the GM of Chicago We had a great rebuilding year with our young guns.

We were in the playoff hunt till the last week and finished 3 points out of 8th in the west.

This year we are looking for depth we would like to add a vetrean defesemen and a young

goalie.

1.) Sign Brian Campbell to a long term deal

2.) Try to sign Dan Ellis if he makes it to UFA. He did not so I would not sign Huet

(Bad deal sign a 33 yr old goalie when I have a 35 yr old currently)

nope wait till next year and go for Aubin, Jean-Sebastien or 2 yrs for Luongo or Cam Ward

3.) sign Reasoner, Marty or Mike York to a 4 yr deal

is byrzgalof (or however u spell his name) an optiion> He'd be a lot cheaper than huet and prob ellis too....chicaco doesnt have very much cap space at all....

[Opie 308]

your comparing players who have been in the nhl for a while to these youngsters. but you cant. they are promising prospects but thers is no way you can compare them. they have to prove themselves at the highest level first. if you dont give them ice-time then will never be comparable. (although, IMO helm was awesome in the playoffs).

lilja is a good PK. unfortunately, we dont really have a defenseman with his style of play coming up from the minor leagues soon, but sami is def replaceable. may be half way through the season we can try leino out in the nhl. i wonder what he can do. he won the lasse oksanen trophy last year (mvp of reg season). a trophy tim thomas, miettinen and koivu won...may be promising....

and yes, i also agree that players should be able to make mistakes they are only human (except stevie Y - he has superpowers or something) but while its understandable that a rookie or 4th line enforcer makes a mistake, its not if a stay-at-home (PK) defensive does or a 2nd line player does....

If those young guys earn the spot at Traverse City or Babs sees that they can do it I am fine with that. However just suggesting that the wings get rid of Sammy for draft picks, when he costs them next to nothing and provides them top 6 type numbers, just because a prospect is promising is exactly the things that the wings don't do and how they stay a contender.

Holland has said and shown multiple times that if a player has waiver options left more often than not they will develop in GR.

Unless that player can come in and make an immediate impact and better the team, see Dats and Z!

[e_144 0]

If those young guys earn the spot at Traverse City or Babs sees that they can do it I am fine with that. However just suggesting that the wings get rid of Sammy for draft picks, when he costs them next to nothing and provides them top 6 type numbers, just because a prospect is promising is exactly the things that the wings don't do and how they stay a contender.

Holland has said and shown multiple times that if a player has waiver options left more often than not they will develop in GR.

Unless that player can come in and make an immediate impact and better the team, see Dats and Z!

in the end, in god we trust....

(God = Kenny Holland)

I dont think there is anyone who knows hockey better than him. Maybe scottie bowman, but i guess he has his influence on ken holland. I dont remember wat thread it was but, somebody pointed that the red wings, are and will continue to be the best team in proffesitonal sports on the continent. while most fans are complaining about their top players, we are going crazy on LGW about who should be our 5th and 6th defender...we are so lucky, and so spoiled. we just won the SC, we added the top FA on the market. Now we want the cup, AGAIN, and as soon as possible!

Considering, hossa, and resigning stuart, plus all our players becomeing that much better (esp franzen, flip and kronvall) I dont think anybody would call me crazy if i bought a ticket now to detroit for june '09 to flyover from europe and watch the Wings win the cup again....haha

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

no but trading him (or mason) would provide even more opportunities...

I have to admitt though, i just checked out the blues boards and there is absolutely no discussion about possible UFA signings or even rumours about anything happening....they better do something soon...otherwise they could see a repeat of last year...or worse...

That's because the Blues rarely make a spalsh in the UFA pool. History has shown that.

Suggesting they move Mason or Legace so they have more room than the $11 million they already have is ridiculous. They aren't going to pick up anyone of significance as it is, so to suggest they should move one of their goalies to create more space isn't needed or close to being necessary.

[Spinner 6]

I'm the GM for the Av's, I fire everyone and bring in the kids from South Park!!!

[e_144 0]

I'm the GM for the Av's, I fire everyone and bring in the kids from South Park!!!

from a GM of avs perspective:

not a good idea. didnt u see the episode where they get there asses kicked by that familiar team in red?