What's going on with Val?

[Konnan511 1,736]

Val+Hudler+another 2 or 3 million dollar player>Hossa

I love Hossa as much as the next guy, but we already have quite a coup of large contracts on the team (Lids, Hossa, Dats) soon to be Hank and Franzen.

You won't keep winning with lots of large contracts. I would be ecstatic is we are able to keep Hossa, but losing him after his contract is up is our best option. That'll will free up cap space to re-sign Hank and Franzen.

Hossa is an exceptional talent, but we could have used that 7+ mil to lock up Val long term (we need a strong core and depth) plus, as much as I HATE RFA offersheets, lock up a young defensmen for when Lids is no longer able to skate along with add some more scoring depth.

Sure big contract players are sexy, but from a business and management stand point they really are a burden if you have too many.

But with that said, go Wings and let's keep Stanley where he belongs!

[Guest CaliWingsNut]

Val+Hudler+another 2 or 3 million dollar player>Hossa

I love Hossa as much as the next guy, but we already have quite a coup of large contracts on the team (Lids, Hossa, Dats) soon to be Hank and Franzen.

You won't keep winning with lots of large contracts. I would be ecstatic is we are able to keep Hossa, but losing him after his contract is up is our best option. That'll will free up cap space to re-sign Hank and Franzen.

Hossa is an exceptional talent, but we could have used that 7+ mil to lock up Val long term (we need a strong core and depth) plus, as much as I HATE RFA offersheets, lock up a young defensmen for when Lids is no longer able to skate along with add some more scoring depth.

Sure big contract players are sexy, but from a business and management stand point they really are a burden if you have too many.

But with that said, go Wings and let's keep Stanley where he belongs!

WTF does hossa have to do with ANYTHING long term at this point? How could we have used that 7 million? Val + Huds + "random 2mil player" < Hossa

[Frozen-Man 144]

Damn :/ seems like it will go to arbitration, it's set for august 1st but they have yet to come up with a contract... wtf, arbitrations are never good, mentally speaking, and it probably damage the relationship between players and organization... VAL COME ON JUST SIGN DAMNIT.

It is still not likely to go to arbitration as they keep saying in the news there is already a two year deal in place to fall back on if they can't get a longer deal worked out.

"it appears that Holland will attempt to re-sign Filppula to a longer-term deal, with an agreed-upon 2-year deal as his fall-back plan."

http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2008/07/fi...ely_to_act.html

[Konnan511 1,736]

WTF does hossa have to do with ANYTHING long term at this point? How could we have used that 7 million? Val + Huds + "random 2mil player" < Hossa

Well, if you, instead up flaming it up, just read the part after you bolded, you would have your answer. Might I suggest some anger management?

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

Val+Hudler+another 2 or 3 million dollar player>Hossa

I love Hossa as much as the next guy, but we already have quite a coup of large contracts on the team (Lids, Hossa, Dats) soon to be Hank and Franzen.

You won't keep winning with lots of large contracts. I would be ecstatic is we are able to keep Hossa, but losing him after his contract is up is our best option. That'll will free up cap space to re-sign Hank and Franzen.

Hossa is an exceptional talent, but we could have used that 7+ mil to lock up Val long term (we need a strong core and depth) plus, as much as I HATE RFA offersheets, lock up a young defensmen for when Lids is no longer able to skate along with add some more scoring depth.

Sure big contract players are sexy, but from a business and management stand point they really are a burden if you have too many.

But with that said, go Wings and let's keep Stanley where he belongs!

This makes absolutely no sense. First and foremost, it isn't true. Second, Hudler is already slated to make $1.15 million next year, so Hossa signing a one year deal has no bearing whatsoever on Hudler right now. Lastly, a $2-$3 million player on the market *this* offseason would've fetched absolute crap. For Christs Sake....Jeff Finger got $3.5 million per!

Besides, Val could be locked up long-term right now, and Hossa's contract wouldn't have much bearing on it. How much do you think Val is gonna get? Better yet, how much do you think he's worth?

[Konnan511 1,736]

This makes absolutely no sense. First and foremost, it isn't true. Second, Hudler is already slated to make $1.15 million next year, so Hossa signing a one year deal has no bearing whatsoever on Hudler right now, and a $2-$3 million on the market *this* offseason would've fetched absolute crap. For Christs Sake....Jeff Finger got $3.5 million per!

You have to read the whole thing and it's hard to explain for the most part, but the point was that Hossa will put up how many points this season? 80-90ish about reasonable? Take Flip and Huds, just for example will put up together the same or more. You really have to look at the whole big picture to fully understand and know the foundations of Management and Business Administration along with Sports management to fully utilize and understand the concept I was briefly trying to explain.

So I apologize for what seemed to be a shot at Hossa, which i said it wasn't. I tried to quickly describe what my concept was but it obviously needs a lot more explaining, and at which time don't really have the drive or time for lol

EDIT: I think Val should get 5-6 years with a cap hit around 2.5-3, but I think he should be signed for 4.5 mil over the course of the next 2 years.

Edited July 28, 2008 by Konnan511

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

You have to read the whole thing and it's hard to explain for the most part, but the point was that Hossa will put up how many points this season? 80-90ish about reasonable? Take Flip and Huds, just for example will put up together the same or more. You really have to look at the whole big picture to fully understand and know the foundations of Management and Business Administration along with Sports management to fully utilize and understand the concept I was briefly trying to explain.

So I apologize for what seemed to be a shot at Hossa, which i said it wasn't. I tried to quickly describe what my concept was but it obviously needs a lot more explaining, and at which time don't really have the drive or time for lol

I did read the whole thing, I just don't agree with it. You can say that 2-3 players will likely put up more points than Hossa but that doesn't mean that signing him was the wrong (or incorrect) thing to do. Take a look at the intangibles that Hossa brings (I.E. Defense, Motivation, Natural Scoring). Arguing that 2-3 players will put up more points than him isn't a good comparison because it leaves out a ton of factors. What about big moment points when the Wings need a score? Who's more likely to bury one, Hossa or the guys you mentioned? Who's more likely to be on the ice when the Wings cling to a one goal lead with a minute left....Hossa or Hudler/Val/$2-$3 million mediocre-at-best-player?

The Wings core is there...and it isn't going away. The Wings are not gonna turn into the Lightning because of the philosophy Kenny has. Some pieces of the puzzle will move on, but the *necessary* core will stay in tact.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

EDIT: I think Val should get 5-6 years with a cap hit around 2.5-3, but I think he should be signed for 4.5 mil over the course of the next 2 years.

Filppula is 24 years old. If he's making 4.5 per for the next 2 seasons and his cap hit is around $2.5-$3 million over the course of a 5 year contract his salary would look something like this:

2008/2009: $4.5 mil

2009/2010: $4.5 mil

2010/2011: $3 mil

2012/2013: $1.5 mil

2013/2014: $750,000

Cap hit of $2.85 million

Don't you think that looks a little ridiculous for someone that would only be 29 years old at the end this contract and supposedly at his prime?

[Konnan511 1,736]

I did read the whole thing, I just don't agree with it. You can say that 2-3 players will likely put up more points than Hossa but that doesn't mean that signing him was the wrong (or incorrect) thing to do. Take a look at the intangibles that Hossa brings (I.E. Defense, Motivation, Natural Scoring). Arguing that 2-3 players will put up more points than him isn't a good comparison because it leaves out a ton of factors. What about big moment points when the Wings need a score? Who's more likely to bury one, Hossa or the guys you mentioned? Who's more likely to be on the ice when the Wings cling to a one goal lead with a minute left....Hossa or Hudler/Val/$2-$3 million mediocre-at-best-player?

I didn't say signing Hossa was wrong or incorrect, or at least I didn't mean to imply it. And I don't care who we have out on the ice with a one goal lead, cause we got Lidstrom haha. But I agree with you on that point, but I'm just going to assume that we have most game where we have more than just a one goal lead :-p. Like I said in my first post, I love Hossa but I think the funds could have been allocated more efficiently, but it might not have been as effective. With, or with out Hossa, we won the cup last year and have improved this year. I just get tired of LGW saying let Flip walk if he wants 2 Mil or more a season.

[NeverForgetMac25 483]

I didn't say signing Hossa was wrong or incorrect, or at least I didn't mean to imply it. And I don't care who we have out on the ice with a one goal lead, cause we got Lidstrom haha. But I agree with you on that point, but I'm just going to assume that we have most game where we have more than just a one goal lead :-p. Like I said in my first post, I love Hossa but I think the funds could have been allocated more efficiently, but it might not have been as effective. With, or with out Hossa, we won the cup last year and have improved this year. I just get tired of LGW saying let Flip walk if he wants 2 Mil or more a season.

No doubt. I completely agree that Filppula is worth more than that, but at this point he most certainly isn't worth $4.5 million for the first two years of his contract.

Realistically, he's probably worth $2.75 million per over the course of a long-term contract. Guess what...that still puts the Wings $860,000 less than the Cap limit for this coming season. So again, Hossa's signing holds no bearing on Val's because he isn't worth more than the difference between the Wings current salary and the Cap limit.

[Konnan511 1,736]

Filppula is 24 years old. If he's making 4.5 per for the next 2 seasons and his cap hit is around $2.5-$3 million over the course of a 5 year contract his salary would look something like this:

2008/2009: $4.5 mil

2009/2010: $4.5 mil

2010/2011: $3 mil

2012/2013: $1.5 mil

2013/2014: $750,000

Cap hit of $2.85

Don't you think that looks a little ridiculous for someone that would only be 29 years old at the end this contract and supposedly at his prime?

No no no, i didn't mean that lol. I meant either A) 4.5 over the next two years (2.25 cap hit) more likely or B) A long term contract with a cap hit around 2.5-3 mil a season over a 5-6 year contract (more effective use)