Canucks vs. Sharks

[hmmthesharks 0]

What little love the Wings recieve is greatly overshadowed by the Criesby love fest.

Crosby may take up alot of media coverage, but the Wings aren't too far behind.

[Broken 16 381]

Crosby may take up alot of media coverage, but the Wings aren't too far behind.

And deservedly so. The Wings have been a dominant organization since the early 90's. San Jose hasn't accomplished anything aside from doing their best to mirror the Wings organization in almost every aspect. You gotta earn media coverage (unless you're the Pens), the Sharks haven't earned squat yet.

There's a reason why the playoffs is often referred to as "The Second Season"... the second season is the one that gives a team their identity.

Edited January 21, 2009 by Broken 16

[hmmthesharks 0]

And deservedly so. The Wings have been a dominant organization since the early 90's. San Jose hasn't accomplished anything aside from doing their best to mirror the Wings organization in almost every aspect. You gotta earn media coverage (unless you're the Pens), the Sharks haven't earned squat yet.

There's a reason why the playoffs is often referred to as "The Second Season"... the second season is the one that gives a team their identity.

Mirror? This Sharks regular season is argubly better then the Wings regular season last season when they won the Cup. I've seen people on here state that as well.

Lemme ask you this: If the Wings were to, lets say, lose in the Western Finals this playoff season and, lets say, the Sharks win the Cup *knocks on wood* and the entire media coverage is about the Sharks and how the Sharks are better then the Wings. Reality is, at that point, they are better then the Wings, but would you want to hear that? Would you want to accept that?

[Broken 16 381]

Mirror? This Sharks regular season is argubly better then the Wings regular season last season when they won the Cup. I've seen people on here state that as well.

Lemme ask you this: If the Wings were to, lets say, lose in the Western Finals this playoff season and, lets say, the Sharks win the Cup *knocks on wood* and the entire media coverage is about the Sharks and how the Sharks are better then the Wings. Reality is, at that point, they are better then the Wings, but would you want to hear that? Would you want to accept that?

I thought for sure the next line from you was gonna say: "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"

I've accepted it a majority of the time, the Wings lose in the playoffs more years than they win. Its no big deal. You'll see if the Sharks can muster up the balls to win a Cup. Till then you'll just have to take my word for it. Bottom line is that the Sharks are chasing the Wings until the Sharks win a Cup, till then they may very well be a flash in the pan... can YOU handle THAT?

When I said that the Sharks were mirroring the Wings, I wasn't comparing road records...

The Sharks organization is doing everything in their power to replicate the Wings formula for success (where do you think your new head coach came from... hello?). Don't feel bad, a lot of teams are examining the Wings closely... not just the Sharks.

Edited January 22, 2009 by Broken 16

[Lovin Jiri Fischer 147]

The sharks lost my respect when they put a turtle on their roster.

They used to be my favorite non-Red Wings team.

[hmmthesharks 0]

I thought for sure the next line from you was gonna say: "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"

I've accepted it a majority of the time, the Wings lose in the playoffs more years than they win. Its no big deal. You'll see if the Sharks can muster up the balls to win a Cup. Till then you'll just have to take my word for it. Bottom line is that the Sharks are chasing the Wings until the Sharks win a Cup, till then they may very well be a flash in the pan... can YOU handle THAT?

When I said that the Sharks were mirroring the Wings, I wasn't comparing road records...

The Sharks organization is doing everything in their power to replicate the Wings formula for success (where do you think your new head coach came from... hello?). Don't feel bad, a lot of teams are examining the Wings closely... not just the Sharks.

No, I completely agree with almost everything you're saying. I just find it very hard to believe that if another team were to step ahead of the Wings that the majority of you wouldn't take that sitting down. This is probably the first regular season that the Sharks actually look better then the Wings and while I agree that it doesn't matter until the playoffs (which is somewhat debatable considering the PT and home ice advantage..) but the Sharks team looks different then most seasons that they were predicted to win the Cup and to call the team conceited is a tad hypocritical, and really, you can't blame them too much. They should be proud of themselves.

Edited January 22, 2009 by hmmthesharks

[Broken 16 381]

No, I completely agree with almost everything you're saying. I just find it very hard to believe that if another team were to step ahead of the Wings that the majority of you would take that sitting down. This is probably the first regular season that the Sharks actually look better then the Wings and while I agree that it doesn't matter until the playoffs (which is somewhat debatable considering the PT and home ice advantage..) but the Sharks team looks different then most seasons that they were predicted to win the Cup and to call the team conceited is a tad hypocritical, and really, you can't blame them too much. They should be proud of themselves.

Dude, I dig the Sharks. They're my go-to team when the Wings fall. I've had respect for the Sharks since they upset us in the first round back in 93-94. That was a rough loss for Ozzy.

[hmmthesharks 0]

Dude, I dig the Sharks. They're my go-to team when the Wings fall. I've had respect for the Sharks since they upset us in the first round back in 93-94. That was a rough loss for Ozzy.

I'm just responding to certain people on here who state that kinds of stuff, because it's very irritating. And don't think I don't have any respectr for the Wings because I would. Anyone who doesn't is stupid and knows nothing about hockey.

[mjlegend 155]

I'm just responding to certain people on here who state that kinds of stuff, because it's very irritating. And don't think I don't have any respectr for the Wings because I would. Anyone who doesn't is stupid and knows nothing about hockey.

Do you often go to other teams' fans' message boards for validation?

[AtomicPunk 296]

No, I completely agree with almost everything you're saying. I just find it very hard to believe that if another team were to step ahead of the Wings that the majority of you wouldn't take that sitting down. This is probably the first regular season that the Sharks actually look better then the Wings and while I agree that it doesn't matter until the playoffs (which is somewhat debatable considering the PT and home ice advantage..) but the Sharks team looks different then most seasons that they were predicted to win the Cup and to call the team conceited is a tad hypocritical, and really, you can't blame them too much. They should be proud of themselves.

The road to the Cup comes thru Detroit. Knock us off in a 7 game series. Then we'll talk.

[diehardredwing19 11]

yea it was kind of a piss off how all the sharks were swarming the 3 or 4 nux after the game, im not too sure i could be wrong, after the sharks tied the game thornton was chirpping either at a ref or one of the nux player not too sure, i dunno joes just really pissed me off this whole week after the hit on franzen, i wanna see him try that someday when they play us at the joe and esp. if we can get downey in the lineup, bottom line i f**kin hate the sharks! and wish em only the worst:)

[TheSupafly 50]

yea it was kind of a piss off how all the sharks were swarming the 3 or 4 nux after the game, im not too sure i could be wrong, after the sharks tied the game thornton was chirpping either at a ref or one of the nux player not too sure, i dunno joes just really pissed me off this whole week after the hit on franzen, i wanna see him try that someday when they play us at the joe and esp. if we can get downey in the lineup, bottom line i f**kin hate the sharks! and wish em only the worst:)

Yeah I saw that too...instead of going right to his teammates to celebrate, Joe skated back around to say something to (I assume) one of the nuck players. I (again assuming) can only imagine that there was something going on well before that. From there it escalated, and when the Sharks scored in OT and the other team was skating off, O'Brien of the nucks whos was already pissed at the refs, decided to semi-cheap shot clowe, which if you know the type of player clowe is, set him off big time. Most of the nucks team was already off the ice and the Sharks exit is at the bench, so all the sharks plaers were still on the ice. That's the version I saw.

[Guest Shoreline]

Yeah I saw that too...instead of going right to his teammates to celebrate, Joe skated back around to say something to (I assume) one of the nuck players. I (again assuming) can only imagine that there was something going on well before that. From there it escalated, and when the Sharks scored in OT and the other team was skating off, O'Brien of the nucks whos was already pissed at the refs, decided to semi-cheap shot clowe, which if you know the type of player clowe is, set him off big time. Most of the nucks team was already off the ice and the Sharks exit is at the bench, so all the sharks plaers were still on the ice. That's the version I saw.

Funny thing is, just like Clowe handed it to Tootoo, I bet Clowe would have tore O'Brien apart. Sadly these two teams don't play again until March. Wonder if they'll remember the incident. Pretty sure Clowe will after getting popped in the face for seemingly no reason at all.

The sucker punch when the game was over should have come with a suspension.

[Ratbastrd 90]

Jeez, this Sharks team is something else.

However they really seem to be a conceded, gloating, stuck-up bunch of players. After the loss, when Vancouver skaters were headed toward the locker room, many of the Sharks turned their heads to the Canucks and were mummering stuff toward the players. Probably talking lots of s*** to rub in the loss. No wonder the Canucks flipped out and started punching them. Says it all when you're interviewed and they say "we're the best team in league". Classy teams don't speak like that....especially with 0 cups on record.

What are the hell are you talking about? I was at the game sitting directly in front of the resulting scrum. The Sharks were ecstatic to win and poured onto the ice to congratulate Marleau. Prior to the incident stated below, I don't think they were paying any attention to the nucks players leaving the ice.

Then Shane O'brian as he is skating off the ice passes by Ryan Clowe and intentionally hooks Clowes stick and knocks it out of his hands. Of course Clowe was going to get pissed, so would you. That is when the scrum started.

He is just lucky Clowe didn't get a hold of him, Clowe would have pounded the little s***.

However the point of my response is, why are you posting such incendiary crap? Your assesment has no basis in reality and serves no purposes other then to make people think poorly of your teams opposition. I believe it is well established that the Sharks are one of the cleanest and most sportsman like teams in the league (barring the recent signing of Lemieux).

I take exception to this because it something that Sharks fans are very proud of. We enjoy physical hockey but respect good sportsmanship from our team.

Regarding were the best team in the league comment, I believe that the Sharks have the best record. The question asked of Dan Boyle by the announcer was stupid, Joe Thorton (half jokingly) leaned over and responded to the question appropriately. Hard to see what the problem is?

Edited January 22, 2009 by Ratbastrd

[Ratbastrd 90]

the sharks showed their class when they signed the "F**K Stain Lemieux! they are a bunch of cocky a-holes! Let them stay the cocky a-holes they are and choke on their own ***** in the playoffs!

I too question the signing of Lemieux as a Sharks fan, but again your assesement of the situation is way off base.

Lemieux and Wilson are very, very good friends. Similar to JR, who again many people hate, Wilson is offering a good friend an opportunity at a cup or another cup in Lemieux's case.

The primary weakness with this team has been leadership. Wilson is trying to address that by bringing in highly skilled, gritty players who have demonstrated and witnessed what it takes to win it all. I am not sure that Lemieux is going to bring that much to the team, but he is an essentially free experiement.

Despite what you might have thought of him, Lemieux was an outstanding player. He was one of the guy's that everyone hated but would add to their team in an instant precisely because of who he was.

[Ratbastrd 90]

you mean: disappears in playoffs?

I have a lot of respect to Big Joe but he is playoff no show. maybe this is going to change

this year but so far he's been major disappointment from April on. and as much as I like him

I wish this trend continues because I'm getting sick of all this Sharks love in media. they won

s*** over last 5 years but are treated like some god damned dynasty...

Not sure I would call them a dynasty but they are undoubtedly a perenial favorite and one of the NHL powerhouses.

Wings are a dynasty, Habs are a dynasty, hell toronto fans probably consider the leafs a dynasty though I have no idea why.

But don't make too much of the Sharks inability to win cups previously. When and if they do they, all of the failures of the past will be irrelevant. All of the success leading up to that an indicator.

[Ratbastrd 90]

I thought for sure the next line from you was gonna say: "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"

I've accepted it a majority of the time, the Wings lose in the playoffs more years than they win. Its no big deal. You'll see if the Sharks can muster up the balls to win a Cup. Till then you'll just have to take my word for it. Bottom line is that the Sharks are chasing the Wings until the Sharks win a Cup, till then they may very well be a flash in the pan... can YOU handle THAT?

When I said that the Sharks were mirroring the Wings, I wasn't comparing road records...

The Sharks organization is doing everything in their power to replicate the Wings formula for success (where do you think your new head coach came from... hello?). Don't feel bad, a lot of teams are examining the Wings closely... not just the Sharks.

Agreed to a point. I think that the comparisons between the two teams is convenient. The Sharks are more like some of the dominate canadian teams of the past then the "euro" dream team Wings of the present.

They might model certain aspects of their play around the Wings, but they play decidely different games based on the physical makeup of their team and the skill level present. Sharks are way more physical and rely more on speed and less on precision and space as the Wings naturally do.

[TheSupafly 50]

Regarding were the best team in the league comment, I believe that the Sharks have the best record. The question asked of Dan Boyle by the announcer was stupid, Joe Thorton (half jokingly) leaned over and responded to the question appropriately. Hard to see what the problem is?

The question was posed to Setoguchi, not Boyle.

It's ThorNton, not Thorton

I understand how fans of other teams would view Joe's comment as cocky, but I think it Joe was half joking, as well as making a point to a young player like Setoguchi. If as a player, you're viewing the other top team in your conference as the best instead of your own team, you're approaching the game with the wrong mentality. I think Joe was just reminding Seto what frame of mind he should be in.

[Broken 16 381]

Agreed to a point. I think that the comparisons between the two teams is convenient. The Sharks are more like some of the dominate canadian teams of the past then the "euro" dream team Wings of the present.

They might model certain aspects of their play around the Wings, but they play decidely different games based on the physical makeup of their team and the skill level present. Sharks are way more physical and rely more on speed and less on precision and space as the Wings naturally do.

Agreed. They are smart enough to not try and completely mirror the Wings. Their approach is based on their personnel. Thats why they have the best record in the West.

[mjlegend 155]

Agreed to a point. I think that the comparisons between the two teams is convenient. The Sharks are more like some of the dominate canadian teams of the past then the "euro" dream team Wings of the present.

They might model certain aspects of their play around the Wings, but they play decidely different games based on the physical makeup of their team and the skill level present. Sharks are way more physical and rely more on speed and less on precision and space as the Wings naturally do.

Sharks of right now are playing like the Wings did in the playoffs... in a way, I wonder if they'll bust it too hard in the regular season and flop in the playoffs. They certainly have the potential to be a great team in the playoffs.

Here's a couple of pieces on MacLellan's teams playing more Wing-like than the SJ chatboards may lead you to believe.

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/story/10863404/rss

McLellan's Red Wings were the only team with a better record, and they finally erased several playoff failures with their dominant Cup win. After three years as Mike Babcock's assistant with the perennial power, McLellan is eager to use what he learned in Detroit to overcome Team Teal's repeated postseason shortcomings.

"When it comes to the playoffs, there's an immense pressure that goes with higher expectations," said McLellan, an accomplished head coach in the AHL, IHL and junior hockey before joining the Red Wings in a plan to groom himself for a top NHL job. "Sometimes you have to experience that before you can get over the hump. This team is in a position to do that right away."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/2008...023517845_x.htm

"I thought we got 'Winged' tonight," Detroit coach Mike Babcock said. "I thought they did everything exactly like we try to do. They just did it better tonight. We're going to look forward to playing them again. I think he's done a real good job. He's got a real good team over there."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?.../SPTB158D5L.DTL

McLellan, 41, doesn't downplay the Detroit connection, saying, "In pro sports, you always emulate the best. Everyone wants to be the (NFL's New England) Patriots, everyone wants to be the Detroit Red Wings.

"We do a lot of things the Red Wings do, we just want to do it better. There are some nuances, and we aren't the only team in the league trying to do what the Red Wings do. Until June, they're still the champions."

[Ratbastrd 90]

Sharks of right now are playing like the Wings did in the playoffs... in a way, I wonder if they'll bust it too hard in the regular season and flop in the playoffs. They certainly have the potential to be a great team in the playoffs.

Here's a couple of pieces on MacLellan's teams playing more Wing-like than the SJ chatboards may lead you to believe.

I don't want to belabor or get to esoteric with this point. I guess I just find it facinating to listen to all the claims of similarity, yet if you watch the two teams play they really aren't all that similar.

The Wings are unique in the league with regards to the level of raw talent in the forward lines. The level of skill; vision, skating, puck handling, passing etc. There is no other team that creates space and moves the puck with the level of precision that the wings do.

The Sharks play a puck control game as well, but it isn't supported by the attributes listed above. The Sharks control the puck using size, speed, leverage etc.

The Wings create space with superior skating skills, brilliant passing and constant movement. The Sharks create space by forcing defenses to commit multiple players to an individual puck handler cycling the puck down low, which creates passing lanes to a pinching dman or a forward sitting in front of the net. Or as witnessed last week, they use their speed to score on a lot of breakaways. I believe the Sharks had or or still maintain the league lead in short handed goals this year.

Again, similar types of games executed very differently based on the physicality and skills of the two different teams. Hard to say which is superior at this point.

Edited January 23, 2009 by Ratbastrd