Datsyuk-Hurt or Shut Down?

[flip 5]

Datsyuk plays 3 minutes less per game than Crosby, Malkin or Ovechkin... he still nearly scored 100 points.

Hossa is playing with two of the best passers in the league (Datsyuk and Zetterberg) and hes struggled offensively. Hes also tied with being the highest paid player on this team.

There really isn't an excuse for it.

It sure is crazy how Datsyuk tied his career high in points scored this year (having played one fewer game than the other season that he scored 97 points) after spending most of the season on a line with Hossa!

Damn Hossa, stop bringing Datsyuk down. Stop helping Datsyuk to the best season of his career.

[DavyMac 0]

Let me break this down for you, Davy:

If you take Hossa's 100-point season in Atlanta (21:41 ice time per game), and apply the points per minute to his ice time in Detroit (17:48 per game), he would've scored 82 points in 82 games that season. By Hossa's points per game average this year, had he played 82 games, he would've scored 79 points. That's a three point difference.

I think you're done now.

You started a Datsyuk vs Hossa debate...

Datsyuk scored 97 points two seasons in a row playing under 20 minutes a game.

Hossa scoring 79 or even 82 points looks less than impressive compared to that.

Thats not even including the Selke Datsyuk has won and will probably win this season.

Datsyuk vs Hossa isn't even comparable.

[flip 5]

You started a Datsyuk vs Hossa debate...

Datsyuk scored 97 points two seasons in a row playing under 20 minutes a game.

Hossa scoring 79 or even 82 points looks less than impressive compared to that.

Thats not even including the Selke Datsyuk has won and will probably win this season.

Datsyuk vs Hossa isn't even comparable.

No one is saying that Hossa is better than Datsyuk. What you're saying is that Hossa 'brings Datsyuk down' which is utterly ludicrous. Look at the stats yourself: Datsyuk spent most of the season on a line with Hossa and scored 97 points in 81 games. His previous career high was 97 points in 82 games. Which part of that are you struggling with?

Your ancillary argument is that Hossa's overrated, which is equally ridiculous. I've taken care of both of them.

Edited May 3, 2009 by flip

[DavyMac 0]

No one is saying that Hossa is better than Datsyuk. What you're saying is that Hossa 'brings Datsyuk down' which is utterly ludicrous. Look at the stats yourself: Datsyuk spent most of the season on a line with Hossa and scored 97 points in 81 games. His previous career high was 97 points in 82 games. Which part of that are you struggling with?

Your ancillary argument is that Hossa's overrated, which is equally ridiculous. I've taken care of both of them.

And Datsyuk looked at his best on a line without Hossa... why are struggling with that fact? If you actually watched the games, instead of studying score sheets you would realize this. He played his best hockey with Franzen and Holmstrom.

The only reason Datsyuk spent so much time with Hossa this season was because Hossa and Zetterberg together are absolutely brutal.

And one would argue that if Datsyuk was paired with Zetterberg or Franzen for the final three games of the season he could have hit 100 points. You know, instead of struggling because of Marian Hossa being a ghost.

[flip 5]

And Datsyuk looked at his best on a line without Hossa... why are struggling with that fact? If you actually watched the games, instead of studying score sheets you would realize this. He played his best hockey with Franzen and Holmstrom.

The only reason Datsyuk spent so much time with Hossa this season was because Hossa and Zetterberg together are absolutely brutal.

And one would argue that if Datsyuk was paired with Zetterberg or Franzen for the final three games of the season he could have hit 100 points. You know, instead of struggling because of Marian Hossa being a ghost.

You're clueless, bud. Datsyuk with Franzen and Holmstrom? Are you serious? Leaving aside the fact that Babcock rarely used that combination this season, it certainly didn't result in Datsyuk's best play. If it had, you'd be seeingmore of it.

Datsyuk spent 85-90% of the season on a line with Hossa and had the best season of his career. There is no escaping that fact.

Hossa's also been better than Datsyuk so far in the playoffs. If I were as willfully ignorant as you, I'd argue that Datsyuk is bringing Hossa down right now.

[TheOwl 77]

Hossa has been near silent. Looks like Holland was right, Franzen is more valuable.

Hossa can't be re-signed, and at this point in the play-offs, all the people who could be traded to make room for Hossa, have far out-played him. Stuart, Flipulla, Cleary, etc etc all have been much more effective then Hossa. Let him go if he can't step it up.

Datsyuk spent 85-90% of the season on a line with Hossa and had the best season of his career.

That's such a ******* lie. Don't even try man. Do you watch the games? Datysuk spent more time with Zetterberg or Franzen. That's a fact.

I'd argue that Datsyuk is bringing Hossa down right now.

Oh yeah? Then what does that say about Hossa? He needs Datsyuk to succeed? Hossa is not useless by any means, BUT remember, he's getting paid the most, and he's getting out performed by everyone on the 2nd/3rd lines. Not to mention the fact Hossa's line has been unable to shut down Getzlaf.

How many 100-point seasons does Datsyuk have?

What about Hossa?

Hossa has one? Whats your point?

Edited May 3, 2009 by TheOwl

[flip 5]

That's such a ******* lie. Don't even try man. Do you watch the games? Datysuk spent more time with Zetterberg or Franzen. That's a fact.

That's not the case at all. You're mistaken. I watched every single Wings game this season in its entirety.

[DavyMac 0]

You're clueless, bud. Datsyuk with Franzen and Holmstrom? Are you serious? Leaving aside the fact that Babcock rarely used that combination this season, it certainly didn't result in Datsyuk's best play. If it had, you'd be seeingmore of it.

Datsyuk spent 85-90% of the season on a line with Hossa and had the best season of his career. There is no escaping that fact.

Hossa's also been better than Datsyuk so far in the playoffs. If I were as willfully ignorant as you, I'd argue that Datsyuk is bringing Hossa down right now.

50 games = 90% of the season?

Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Franzen

Was our best line all season.

Datsyuk had the best season of his career? He tied last season and his defensive game suffered slightly having Hossa on his line. He scored 97 points in one less game(because of suspension). Don't act like he blew out his previous season totals. Datsyuk could have been on a line with Franzen all season and scored 97 points.

Did I miss the part were Hossa has ever been nominated for a Hart?

[GoalieManPat 1,007]

Haha every GM in the league will take Hossa over Sammy every day of the week. Thank god you are not a GM

[DavyMac 0]

Haha every GM in the league will take Hossa over Sammy every day of the week. Thank god you are not a GM

Samuelsson $1.2 million

Hossa $7.45 million

Say it with me slowly... "Role Player".

Learn that simple concept and get back to me.

If it were up to some of you armchair quarterbacks Ovechkin would be on our fourth line.

[GoalieManPat 1,007]

Sammy is a 10-15 goal a season player at max on any other team.

Say this with me slowly "Sammy is gone next year as he's easily replaced"

[TheOwl 77]

Sammy is a 10-15 goal a season player at max on any other team.

Say this with me slowly "Sammy is gone next year as he's easily replaced"

Hossa is gone too buddy. No cap space. Even if he signed for 3 million a season, Wings couldn't fill a roster.

[DavyMac 0]

Sammy is a 10-15 goal a season player at max on any other team.

Say this with me slowly "Sammy is gone next year as he's easily replaced"

There isn't a player out there who knows the system better and has spent as much time on this team as Samuelsson who will also play for a million a season.

Abdelkader will be in Grand Rapids next season and Leino will be on this team regardless of Samuelsson.

Everytime needs the Sameulsson's, Hudler's and Lilja's.

You gain nothing but a roster spot by letting players like that walk. Letting Hossa walk and you can afford to keep Conklin or sign another role player without losing one player from this team except Hossa.

[Reds4Life 51]

Datsyuk with Hossa is very bad combo, Pav is playing like crap though.

[KronwallCRUNCH 5]

Sammy is one of our leading hitters... and hes a 20 goal scorer making a million dollars a season.

Hossa had 40 goals making $7.5 million.

Franzen had 34 goals making LESS than Samuelsson this season.

Franzen was obviously underpaid but even taking his new raise into account hes still making around $4 million less per year than Hossa this season.

Plus like I said above, he can actually play with both of our top two centers, unlike Hossa who needs weak linemates to play at the top of his game.

What does comparing Hossa to Samuelsson have to do with Franzen and salary? Now you're just talking in circles, swinging blindly, and trying to create some type of argument to support your initial ridiculous statement.

[DavyMac 0]

What does comparing Hossa to Samuelsson have to do with Franzen and salary? Now you're just talking in circles, swinging blindly, and trying to create some type of argument to support your initial ridiculous statement.

Its simple really, I compared Hossa and Samuelsson in terms of style. I said that he has no chemistry with Datsyuk or Zetterberg. I provided the example of Franzen having chemistry with both players and being paid much less and I also brought up the point that if you keep Hossa you're going to lose role players like Flip, Hudler and Samuelsson.

Its pretty simple to follow.

Hossa scored 6 more goals, ten more points than Franzen and was paid around five million dollars more. We have our big sniper and his name is Johan Franzen. Hossa is a one and done deal.

[KronwallCRUNCH 5]

Its simple really, I compared Hossa and Samuelsson in terms of style. I said that he has no chemistry with Datsyuk or Zetterberg. I provided the example of Franzen having chemistry with both players and being paid much less and I also brought up the point that if you keep Hossa you're going to lose role players like Flip, Hudler and Samuelsson.

Its pretty simple to follow.

Hossa scored 6 more goals, ten more points than Franzen and was paid around five million dollars more. We have our big sniper and his name is Johan Franzen. Hossa is a one and done deal.

And again, a ridiculous comparison. Hossa is faster, stronger, has a more accurate shot, and better hands. There isn't much of a "style" comparison between the two, so no, it's not very easy to follow.

[drfnr14 0]

well its looking like dats in getn going, but its kind of late for my liking. but hes doing good on the back checking. same with hossa

it would be nice to see the 2 combine to get this gwg in the 3rd ot!

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

datsyuk's been a no show now for about 8 games. he was throwing his body around in game one agains the bj's but that's about it. the last three games of the season he was minus 4 with no points. he's got 3 points in 6 games so far. he's not been a difference maker like he needs to be. dat's needs to get his ******* thumb out of his ass and get moving. i don't care if he's hurt or not. everybody's hurt. he needs to get going and quick.

[dat's sick 1,002]

It's not impossible that he's just feeling the pressure. He carried the team for much of the regular season, he is a Hart, Selke and Lady Byng candidate and he was the team scoring leader by a wide margin.

Unlike last year when it was very much a shared load between him and Z, this year he is supposed to be more of a clear-cut leader of the team.

Maybe he's a little bit tired from the regular season as well. Unlike many others on the team, who were coasting half of the games, he's been giving it his all for atleast 75+ games.

But I think he'll get going for real very soon.

[VM1138 1,921]

- Sammy gets puck, he shoots

- Hossa gets puck, he shoots

Both are decent defensively and obviously Hossa is faster but thats it. They also both throw their weight around.

Hossa is MASSIVELY overrated at this point.

Hossa is a freaking sniper. That's what he's supposed to do. You forgot to mention: S ammy shoots, doesn't score, Hossa shoots, scores.

If by saying Hossa is a glorified version of Sammy you mean he's infinately superior in every way possible, then you are right.

[Guest lilja4mvp]

hey datsyuk,

getzlaf had as many points today as you've had in your last 9 games.

time to step it up.

[TheOwl 77]

Hossa is a freaking sniper.

I'd rather have a guy who can put the puck in the net when it counts. Franzen is much more of a clutch player. But on the subject of Sammy, at least he isn't a bench warmer right now. This is when it really counts, and Sammy was able to put the puck in the net. Sniper or no sniper, Hossa isn't scoring when it really counts. Those are the facts, and in the post season, sniping isn't as effective (see Ovechkin in round 1).

[Jake Ryan 1]

Hossa is playing like he's 5'4", 135 pounds right now. Babs should show him how his perimeter game is doing NOTHING for the Wings, tell him not to skate outside the circles again in this series, and then bench him for a period. That will get Hossa going.

[datsyukismyfriend 4]

hey datsyuk,

getzlaf had as many points today as you've had in your last 9 games.

time to step it up.

yup.