russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 At this point the season is halfway over, and the total amount of OT loses (a 3-point game) is 158. Last Year the TOTAL was 282. So we are on pace to have approximately 34 more OT loss points this year from last year. The '07-'08 Season had 272 OT losses. There have been more and more games going to OT with the parity in the league so more and more points are becoming a 3 point game. In the past all games equaled 2-points 2 for a win 1 for a tie, end of sentence. With some games only being worth 2 points and others being worth 3 it makes it hard to move up the standings. You win a game, but 2 other teams in your conference play and go to OT, automatically you only gain 1 point all together in a game you won in regulation. I know that that point will not go away, so I propose that it is time to go to something that has been talked about for a long time: Regulation Win=3 points Regulation loss=0 points OT or shootout win=2 points OT or shootout loss=1 point And I will already counter the argument of "it makes previous records for points meaningless with this...That has already been done twice. #1 by giving an extra point just for getting to overtime #2 By nullifying the tie, thus guarenteeing 3 points out of ANY game that goes past regulation. So historical point records already mean diddily, I think that to make a win in regulation more meaningful to the standings that it should be given 3 points. Thoughts??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lidstromboli Report post Posted January 3, 2010 I would do it like this: Win (regulation & 10 min overtime): 2 points Shootout win: 1 point Loss: 0 points Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b.shanafan14 733 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 Its bad enough there are 3 pts up for grabs some games. I don't like there being degrees of winning and losing, just like I feel that a shootout is a terrible way to end an interesting hockey game. I suppose at least every game would be worth the same amount of points, so perhaps it would f*** up the standings less (i.e. a team in 3rd place gets 2 points for a regulation win and then watches a game where the team in 1st gets 2 points and the team in 2nd gets 1 point, 3 points to the competition in one game just for going longer, wherein the 2nd place team is rewarded what could be the deciding point of the season for taking longer to lose a game) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dano33 41 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) My friends and I were talking about this recently and one of them came up with a pretty good idea (this might be a method used in some soccer leagues, but we weren't sure). Win = 3 points Tie = 1 point loss = 0 points Also, make the overtime 10 minutes, eliminate the shootout. We think this would make teams take more chances in OT and not just play for the tie. It would make games more entertaining and it wouldn't reward teams for losing the game. Edited January 3, 2010 by Dano33 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lidstromboli Report post Posted January 3, 2010 you'd still be rewarding teams for not winning the game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWings Gone Wild 6 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 I watch a ton of European soccer and that's basically how it's always structured (3 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, 0 for a loss)... Your purists won't like it because it'll construe and inflate the point totals drastically (team point totals, not individual ones)... but ultimately if you're going to keep the shootout, I think it has to be changed... I see these teams with the shootout specialists that basically play for ties, and it distorts the standings. You can basically be pretty damn mediocre in the NHL right now and still hang around the playoff picture late into the season (*cough Anaheim cough*). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 I agree with the OP. At first, it would make sense that no matter how the game ends there will always be the same amount of points on the line. So that means no to this current system as well as the soccer-system. Secondly, no game should ever end in a tie. It's just something that shouldn't be even in the soccer. Win is better than OT win. OT win is better than OT loss. OT loss is better than loss. So it's pretty easy to agree with the OP in this one. Also, we need to get rid of shootouts. It's just isn't about the right team always winning. Endless overtime or lets say 10 min overtime periods would be a good method to decide the winner. Of course the game always ends when a team scores a goal, so they're not actually periods. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWings Gone Wild 6 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 Win is better than OT win. OT win is better than OT loss. OT loss is better than loss. So it's pretty easy to agree with the OP in this one. Also, we need to get rid of shootouts. It's just isn't about the right team always winning. Endless overtime or lets say 10 min overtime periods would be a good method to decide the winner. Of course the game always ends when a team scores a goal, so they're not actually periods. I agree with the point system, but you can't realistically put a playoff style OT system into place.. do you know how many additional games that would add up to over the course of a season? It's already a schedule and game play that is way to grueling on the players (just look at the #s of injuries league wide this season)... not to mention, back to back nights would basically be impossible. What if you went to triple or quadruple OT one night and had a game the following night? If ties aren't a part of the sport, then the shootout has to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 I agree with the point system, but you can't realistically put a playoff style OT system into place.. do you know how many additional games that would add up to over the course of a season? It's already a schedule and game play that is way to grueling on the players (just look at the #s of injuries league wide this season)... not to mention, back to back nights would basically be impossible. What if you went to triple or quadruple OT one night and had a game the following night? If ties aren't a part of the sport, then the shootout has to be.Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe they should change the schedule or something, I dunno. Shootouts just don't work properly on deciding the real better team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted January 3, 2010 I HATE Shootouts! -- in case you guys didn't know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shady Ultima 40 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 Losers get 0. Period Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 Losers get 0. PeriodSo hanging until the OT and losing then is the same as for example being lazy and sucking and basically losing the game in the first period. Don't think so. Same with the winning. Winning in regulation is better than winning in the OT. And while there are always same amount of points on the line, that means that 1 point goes for the OT loser. How can you not get this? Should be easy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMonk 102 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 I'm not sure the proposed system would lead to teams trying harder to win in regulation. For every team that wants to gain 3 points and plays to win in regulation, there's another team that's afraid of giving up that much ground and plays it safe to get to OT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 I'm not sure the proposed system would lead to teams trying harder to win in regulation. For every team that wants to gain 3 points and plays to win in regulation, there's another team that's afraid of giving up that much ground and plays it safe to get to OT. Maybe not but at least every game would be worth the same amount of points. I just hate the concept that a team can win the game in regulation and actually lose one overall point in the standings... You gain 2 points...teams around you gain 3...you net a loss of one point even though you won in regulation... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 I'm not sure the proposed system would lead to teams trying harder to win in regulation. For every team that wants to gain 3 points and plays to win in regulation, there's another team that's afraid of giving up that much ground and plays it safe to get to OT.So what? The point system is about making the game more entertaining. It's about making the game so that you get the correct amount of points with your performance. If a team wants to play ultra defensive style and play 0-0 to get that one point at OT it's just fine. If a team wants to get those three points they have to be more offensive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOwl 77 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 The best system IMO is: Regulation, OT, SO Win = 2 points SO loss = 1 point OT, Regulation loss = 0 points Just make OT an extra 5 min of regular time, no extra point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 The best system IMO is: Regulation, OT, SO Win = 2 points SO loss = 1 point OT, Regulation loss = 0 points Just make OT an extra 5 min of regular time, no extra point. Can you explain WHY this would be the best system? Again, a win in the regulation should be more valuable than a win in the OT or shooutout. And there should be no difference in the points given between shootout and OT because they're both basically OT. I just don't somehow understand why people won't agree with the system in the OP as it's clearly the best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMonk 102 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 And there should be no difference in the points given between shootout and OT because they're both basically OT. Regulation and OT have more in common than OT and shootout. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 Regulation and OT have more in common than OT and shootout.Or not. You don't lose in regulation if the opponent scores on you once. Regulation is regulation. We can always replace shootout with some other fun game that doesn't take too long, hide and seek for example, but it's still part of the OT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMonk 102 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 Or not. You don't lose in regulation if the opponent scores on you once. Regulation is regulation. We can always replace shootout with some other fun game that doesn't take too long, hide and seek for example, but it's still part of the OT. The shootout is essentially hide and seek. OT is still hockey. The shootout win counting the same as a hockey win is the fatal flaw with this proposal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Finnish Wing 110 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 The shootout is essentially hide and seek. OT is still hockey. The shootout win counting the same as a hockey win is the fatal flaw with this proposal. I don't even want shootouts. But it's the only way to make the games shorter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMonk 102 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 I don't even want shootouts. But it's the only way to make the games shorter. I guess that's true, unless we go back to ties. I dunno, I'm fine with whatever they do, to be honest. If they adopted this system, I'd be okay with it. The thing is, regardless of what we think as fans, the league loves the fact that the standings are all bunched together. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
russianswede919293 95 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 The shootout is essentially hide and seek. OT is still hockey. The shootout win counting the same as a hockey win is the fatal flaw with this proposal. Except that right now the OT and shootout win BOTH are equal to the regulation win... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 900 Report post Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) I'd rather the league go back to the 1998-99 point system, every game is 2 points ONLY. 2 points for a win, 1 for a tie, and 0 for a loss. I never had problems with ties... They'll never go back to that, so I'd be in favor of 3 point games all the time. Any comparison between eras have already been ruined since 1999-00 awarding overtime loses as 1 point, so I have no problems with every game being 3 points. Edit: If the NHL wants to continue to give out 1 point for a OT or SO loss, than I think this point system would give truer Conference Standings: -3 points for a Regulation Win -2 points for a OT or SO Win -1 point for a OT or SO Loss -0 points for a Regulation Loss Edited January 3, 2010 by Barrie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CaliWingsNut Report post Posted January 3, 2010 On a game to game basis, yeah ties sorta suck. However, with the playoffs not having ties, it didn't really bother me. Does a shootout make it any better? No, in my opinion. I think the current system leads to teams hoping to make overtime (in a tight or close match), and then trying to snipe the shootout. I think a 3 point system will confuse the part time fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites