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Are teams going to "bait" us into fighting?

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Another thought:

Seeing as most of the pro-fight crowd use people getting run to defend their position, where do you stand on fights after clean hits?

Fights right from the face off?

Fights because both enforcers are simply on the ice?

Fights where a the guy who "Ran" or committed the egregious act is no longer on the ice, so 2 guys go at it who were not involved in the original act?

-I can't speak for everybody, but fights after clean hits drive me nuts. It serves as a deterrent for clean, hard hitting.

-Fights right off the draw are not necessarily "staged", in that both players are fighting for the hell of it without any reason or passion. I can't say I'm a huge fan of the Georges Laraque-esque scrap off the draw. However, I couldn't get behind additionally penalizing players for it.

-Fights between two enforcers simply because they're on the ice often, but not always, come off the draw.

-The last statement, I suppose, could be classified as guys, involved in the incident or not, sending a message.

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That's just it...Not saying enforcers, or fighting equals less turds like Cooke on the ice, but I'd like to think that some form of retribution in the form of a fist being driven into one's face might persuade some opponents from taking liberties.

I would like to think that too, however I am a realist and as such know that getting punched in the face does not stop Matt Cooke, or Chris Simon, or Raffi Torres, or any of the like from doing anything!

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This is typically where the instigator rule debate starts.

I HATE THE INSTIGATOR RULE!!!!!!

They need to add a D-bag clause where if the person is a total D-bag (like the ones I mentioned) remove the instigator penalty!!

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Another thought:

Seeing as most of the pro-fight crowd use people getting run to defend their position, where do you stand on fights after clean hits?

Fights right from the face off?

Fights because both enforcers are simply on the ice?

Fights where a the guy who "Ran" or committed the egregious act is no longer on the ice, so 2 guys go at it who were not involved in the original act?

Fights after clean hits - if the hit is obviously clean, and the opposition is well aware of it - then there shouldn't be a need for a scrap - however with the speed of todays game a teammate may see something that he feels warrants some form of retribution...That's the problem there, and in some cases the player who delivered a clean hit gets jumped.

Fights at the face-off - the Probert/Domi, or Probert/Clark scraps come to mind...Guys are chat at center ice, and drop the mitts willingly...I enjoy it if both are willing combatants, there's some history/bad blood, and I'd say a significantly large portion of the crowd in attendance does as well.

Fights with enforcers on ice for the hell of it - the answer I gave above somewhat falls into this category as well...Sometimes it'll spark the benches, and get the home crowd into the game...Some may discount what this effect has, but I'm of the opinion it can be a proverbial 'jump start' for a slumping squad...To be honest - I myself am pretty indifferent.

Fights that take place with the rat on the bench - for me this is a game by game situation; if it's a heated rivalry with years of bad blood then it can be of some value for either team, but as we all know - nothing's better than seeing the culprit getting his just desserts...If it's between Phoenix/Florida with no history then it'll be a few guys duking it out while the little turd snickers on the bench, and that I'm pretty indifferent to.

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Actually the debate about the correlation between CTE and heart disease has been raging on between BU and U of M since 2011.

Seeing as the brain technically "controls" bodily functions some experts believe CTE can lead to worsening of existing heart conditions.

I would like to think that too, however I am a realist and as such know that getting punched in the face does not stop Matt Cooke, or Chris Simon, or Raffi Torres, or any of the like from doing anything!

If I remember correctly - an autopsy on Probie revealed he had roughly a 90% blockage of his coronary sinus.

I'm of the opinion that genetics/drug abuse/alcohol/diet abuse were key factors more so than his noggin taking punches.

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If I remember correctly - an autopsy on Probie revealed he had roughly a 90% blockage of his coronary sinus.

I'm of the opinion that genetics/drug abuse/alcohol/diet abuse were key factors more so than his noggin taking punches.

Ok, but the other argument brought up is:

Severe depression brought on by CTE can lead to drug/alcohol abuse and other generally bad habits for your heart, body, and overall well being.

Some people turn to drugs because they have addictive personalities, some due to peer pressure, and others to just have a good time.

But in cases of untreated depression many turn to drugs for help!

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This is typically where the instigator rule debate starts.

This right here...

Ok, but the other argument brought up is:

Severe depression brought on by CTE can lead to drug/alcohol abuse and other generally bad habits for your heart, body, and overall well being.

Some people turn to drugs because they have addictive personalities, some due to peer pressure, and others to just have a good time.

But in cases of untreated depression many turn to drugs for help!

Absolutely.

Probie started drinking at 14 years of age...Was in his early 20's while in the AHL when he snorted cocaine for the 1st time.

Probie admitted to enjoying both immensely, and having addictive qualities.

This combined with his family genetics = a shorter than average life span.

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If I remember correctly - an autopsy on Probie revealed he had roughly a 90% blockage of his coronary sinus.

I'm of the opinion that genetics/drug abuse/alcohol/diet abuse were key factors more so than his noggin taking punches.

It's true that he died of heart disease. However, CTE certainly was not helpful; and whatever the case, it brought about a significant decline in Probert's cognitive abilities when he was only in his 40s. CTE has become relatively common in athletes, especially those subjected to persistent physical concussion, and has driven various amongst them to suicide or violence. It has become such an issue in football that thousands of NFL players collectively sued the league for not taking greater measures to prevent concussion.

The simple point is that hockey players who fight a lot are prime candidates for development of this disease. Though it can be entertaining to watch them fight, know that they very well may be paying a severe price.

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It's true that he died of heart disease. However, CTE certainly was not helpful; and whatever the case, it brought about a significant decline in Probert's cognitive abilities when he was only in his 40s. CTE has become relatively common in athletes, especially those subjected to persistent physical concussion, and has driven various amongst them to suicide or violence. It has become such an issue in football that thousands of NFL players collectively sued the league for not taking greater measures to prevent concussion.

The simple point is that hockey players who fight a lot are prime candidates for development of this disease. Though it can be entertaining to watch them fight, know that they very well may be paying a severe price.

As I posted in another thread - there's only so much that can be done with injury prevention in contact sports, and concussions can occur in non-fighting situations.

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As I posted in another thread - there's only so much that can be done with injury prevention in contact sports, and concussions can occur in non-fighting situations.

The fact concussions can happen in non-fighting situations is irrelevant to this discussion. Fists to the head are a definite cause of concussions, and they can be curtailed. Not that it'll happen anytime soon, and fighting still does have a place in hockey, but the point is that Yzerman probably has the long-term effects of fisticuffs in mind.

On that note, why is it that players don't fight with gloves on? That would somewhat reduce the impact...

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