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So what exactly makes that funny?

HAHAHA call the PC Police.

Grow up and have some respect, if not for the players at least for the rest of the fans that support the same team you do.

in what way is it incorrect?

Also with the way this year has been going with all of the player deaths, this is in incredibly bad taste.

Fill keeps raising his value and it is at an all time high right now.  It be hard to imagine fill not being the centerpiece for a trade for a sniper.

Either way hope he keeps this up.

With Fil playing like he is, there's approximately 0 percent chance of him being traded.

Colin Campbell got dumped on for not being consistent with punishments, not being transparent, and basically being a dillhole about the whole thing.  Brendan Shanahan has been very consistent with punishments, has been very transparent about the process, and has not been acting like a dillhole about the whole thing.  

Someone want to explain to me why Shanny's getting the same level of s*** flung at him Colin Campbell did?  He's doing his job.  A job the person who held it previous to him did NOT do.  Maybe you're all so shell-shocked by the sight of someone in charge in the league not being a world-class f*** up, you don't know what to do.  It's okay.  Remain calm.

Completely agree.  Hits are fine.  Hits to the head are not.  Someone WILL die from a hit to the head if they aren't dealt with.  Careers have been ended by hits to the head.  Saying 3 games is too little for potentially ending someones career, or life is ridiculous.  I don't care if they were considered good hockey hits in the past.  They used to not wear helmets at all in hockey, that doesn't mean it was good for the game though.  Use a little common sense here guys.

I think you're a little obsessed.

Me?  Cleary to you is like Hudler is to Eva...

Cleary has been terrible, he's failing passes, he's failing fighting for the puck, he's failing on his dump ins, he's failing on scoring.  The only thing he's not failing at is playing on his ass.

Based on your logic, Jiri Hudler is the best player on the team. The Huds/Dats/Cleary line was the best line to start, but it was broken up because the second line didn't look good; he was switched with Z. So then, the Filppula/Franzen/Hudler line went on a tear. Washington game, Hudler was taken off that line. He gets moved to Helm's line, and suddenly everyone is talking about how great that line is doing, but Flip and Franzen aren't scoring anymore. Case closed.

Of course you turn this into a Hudler thread. I will not encourage this with any other response.

For the record, Hudler started on a line with Franzen and Fil, which was the best line.  He didn't start with Dats.

You neglect to mention that he was swapped with Franzen. The latter is the team's best goal-scoring forward, and he's a big body. Cleary is not as good as Franzen. Nobody is disputing this. Swapping a better player out for a player who is not as good will make a line perform with lesser efficiency. Case closed.

Actually no, Cleary just makes whichever line he's on worse.  If you're watching the games I'm not sure how you could dispute it.

Side note, anyone else notice that the game after Cleary was taken off the 1st line and put on the 2nd the 2nd line started sucking and the first is doing well?  Coincidence?

Our D does miss Rafalski like we all knew we would.  White has fit in well, I've been happy with his play.  Nick has been outstanding as usual but he can't do it all by himself.  We need guys like Kronwall, Hudler, Ericsson, Fillpula, Helm, Abdelkader and Cleary to step up but they aren't.  Even if Dats, Z and Mule start playing well again, if we don't have proper balance we're not going anywhere anyway.

Do you watch the games?  Fil has been BY FAR one of our best forwards, and hardest working.  Also check the stats page.  2nd in points, tied for first in +/- (I realize +/- is lame, but still makes a point).  If you're going to make us read something that long, at least put correct information in it.

Does any else get incredibly irritated every time you hear Murphy call Kronwall Kronwell?

Cleary and Bertuzzi, in particular, have looked god awful. I'd like to see us get younger at the deadline as well as in the offseason.

Cleary not only doesn't improve the line he's on, he just downright hurts it.  He gives up the puck too often, his passing is terrible, and all he does when entering the zone is shoot it in then lose it.  I don't understand why he's still getting top 6 minutes.

Also, on Homer, yeah, he may be giving it his all, but that doesn't mean he deserves top play time.  Helm gives his all every game but he's not put on the top line.  Yeah, he sits in front of the net, but if you put someone skilled there, we shouldn't even need an in front of the net presence. Not very many teams use players in front of the net because they simply put players who can score on the line. I realize we don't have those players right now, and like someone said above, it's the management's fault for not acquiring them.

I'm so glad we signed Commodore to play 6:40.  

I know tonight was a special teams fest at times, but still.

The guy is worthless. More often than not he’s a healthy scratch, but when he isn’t, he barely plays. I know they want Smith playing heavy minutes in Grand Rapids, but would he learn more practising alongside Lids and Kronwall ect or by playing 20 minutes a night in GR? Honestly, I'd rather be playing Smith and letting him learn and familiarise to the NHL now than wait another season.

If we waived Commodore, would anyone claim him?

You realize he was injured during the first part of the season, right?  That may be part of why he didn't play those games >.>

Six years of big success under Babcock and you're calling for his head after a five-game losing streak. 14 years of GMing from Holland that has EVERYONE--columnists, fans of other teams, etc.--calling him the best overall GM during that period, especially in the salary-cap world, and you're saying he's the wrong guy for the job because of a short spell of losses. Give me a break. This is typical spoiled, ridiculous, grass-is-greener thinking. It comes from a line of success so long that many of you can't remember how it is to be on the other side. Go ask fans of most other teams, and they'll tell you they'd kill for their team to have the same level of success the Wings have had in the recent and distant (~20 years) past. Yet you want to axe a hugely successful coach and a tremendously successful GM over two weeks of unsuccessful hockey that still sees the team over .500. And I'm sure you're certain that their theoretical replacements would be better. That's a hoot. The idea that any replacement of any personnel anywhere will bring about positive change is always uncertain. The idea that you'll be able to easily find better personnel than Holland and Babcock is asinine. They each have their faults, but they're nevertheless amongst the best in the world at their respective positions. All the success the Wings have had has simply bred in many fans a mentality of "More, more, MORE!" It's runaway perfectionism that often does not even remotely meet with reality.

I'm sure I'll get responses along the lines of, "just because things are good doesn't mean that they can't be better." Well, sure, that's true--but there's a line beyond which desire for improvement becomes ludicrous perfectionism born of a complete lack of perspective.

I clearly said I haven't been happy with some of the things he's done for the past few years, not just the previous 5 games.  I still stand by everything I said in the first post.  Babs rewards players who don't deserve it, and punishes those who don't deserve it.  If you somehow can disagree with me, fine, that's your opinion, but I guarantee most of the posters here don't disagree.

You people need to hug each other and be friends.

NO, Crymson smells bad and isn't funny and I hate him!

Yes, it was a deliberate move. This guy is known for being a massive troll. Funny stuff.

This was already posted bro, you of all people should have known this.