Shaman

Have you read anything I said? Your strawman isn't even a good one. I am really high on the prospects and I am not saying they shouldn't try, but I am saying that given the options of overpaying for Yandle or Jbo OR giving the young players a chance and not making the playoffs for a season and reaping the benefits from that, I'd take the latter over the former right now.

I disagree that Quincey replaces Stuart... not unless Q has a huge bounce back season, but I will wait and see on that. As I said about Andersson, I do believe hes out of options soon and with so many bottom 6 guys on the team I don't see him cracking the line up with the Wings, and with this skill set, I could see him being a Hayder type player, plays a few games with a lot of teams but settles in SEL/AHL for the majority of his career. As for Brunner I really have reservations, its going to be trial by fire for him and he will have a lot of pressure on him... but all the players mention don't make up for the loss of Hudler and Lidstrom. Say what you will about Hudler, 25 goals are hard to replace. And the glaring hole, the gorilla in the room, the Wings defense is suspect. So again I will say this: this is not a Pittsburgh/Edmonton level '5 years of suck' rebuild, this is a 1-2 year rebuild on the fly idea. And to say this again, I'd rather have the Wings if they are 7-10th in the standing sell players like Bertuzzi/Cleary/etc for prospects and picks than try to overpay for a rental and still get bounced. I'd also not want to send Filpulla+Jurco+Jarnkrok+picks (conservatively) for Yandle or Jbo.

I believe Andersson is out of options either this season or next, so he will either be a Wing in a year, or he will not be. With the glut of bottom 6 players and him being a fourth line kind of player, I don't see him cracking the line up as regular player . As I said in BC until a player makes the transition from SEL/SM-liiga, I don't count them as locks for the NHL. I think Jarnkrok is about 70% chance of making it, but still there are concerns. Ouellet and Sproul are both doing well, but again, I don't see them as locks yet, they could be if they both have another consistent season, but they are still young, and they are high risk high reward prospects. I hope they do develop, but, as we all know from players like Hat Trick **** Axelsson one should never count their eggs.

In the KHL maybe, there have been a lot of rumblings that Dats wants to finish his career there. And again, unless the defensive problems of the Wings are addressed this season they are not a real contender.. if they are around 8th in February, I would rather see them sell players like Cleary and Bertuzzi to other teams for draft picks than see them try to sell their draft picks/prospects and get bounced early anyway.

I see him as a career AHL player, especially if he stays in the Wing's system.

Strike through all players I don't see ever playing one NHL game, bold those who are unlikely/unknown at this point, italics those who are 50-50 shots, underlined those who will more than likely be NHL level players (not necessarily stars). The wings have a good prospect pool, but to be a contender this season they WILL have to make a trade for a top pairing defenseman, look at all the players that are italics or underlined, 2-3 of them will be gone for Yandle or Jbo, plus Flippula. All of the sudden the prospect pool is a lot shallower than it was before. Not to mention if they make a run at Ryan or Nash. Now look at players like Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, RNH, Stamoks, Doughty and do the math on production to contract amount over the first few season... they added immediate value to their teams and they didn't cost anything, not a huge contract, not a lopsided trade, and they all have bright futures in the NHL. Its not my favorite option being sellers at the deadline and not being in real cup contention, but, if it costs 1-2 season of mediocre play to ensure another decade of dominance, its a small price to pay.

I feel that the Wings will have to overpay in prospects and a certain roster player for any trade making the team weaker going into the future. Any trade that could be made to improve the defense will necessitate the moving of Flip+Smith/Jarnkrok+++++. Do the Wings sell their future for another shot? Or do they use their assets wisely and rebuild the team to be competitive for the long term?

I'm complaining not only was he less physical last year but he also gets worse come playoff time. The second part is a deal breaker for top 6 players, let alone a 4th liner. I'll say it again, HE PLAYS WORSE IN THE PLAYOFFS. Why retain a player who can't at least be consistent in the playoffs?

Not just 2 seasons ago, he was terrible in both San Jose series and his performance in the post season drops from almost .25 ppg to .13 ppg. 2 seasons ago in the second series against the sharks he was a -4. As for his toughness well he played he played 7 more games last season but had 40 less hits than 2010-2011 season.

Except Abdelkader is the king of terrible penalties and bad defensive play in the last 3 post seasons, thats a good enough reason for me to want to let him get offersheeted.

My latest idea: Package Franzen+Sheahan+Tomas Tatar+2nd for Nash... Send Nash to Anaheim for Bobby Ryan+Etem+Welinski+1st.... Send Etem+Trvdon/Jurco+Detroit1st for Jbo or Yandle

Send Franzen+prospects to get Nash, send Nash to Anaheim for Ryan+prospects, flip some of those prospects for Yandle or Jbo.

Look at my roster, we need Lebda and Williams to round out our ASG roster.

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER My Custom Lineup FORWARDS Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m) Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($3.000m) Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m) Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Jason Williams ($1.500m) / Damien Brunner ($1.350m) Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) DEFENSEMEN Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) Ian White ($2.875m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Brett Lebda ($1.500m) Kyle Quincey ($3.550m) / GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m) ------ CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,917,045; BONUSES: $462,500 CAP SPACE (25-man roster): $10,282,955 Your 2012-2013 Detroit Red Wings.

I'd take Semin for 4 years 20 million. Very fair for a player with 40 goal potential.

Sheahan may have been one of the biggest drafting mistakes along with Mccollum and Ferraro in recent draft history. One pick below him was Jarred Tinordi, a very BIG defense prospect with a lot of potential. Sheahan has shown very little offensive ability the last couple years and that has to be worrying. The worst is trading down for Ferraro and skipping Simon Despres which was a huge mistake

Because Abdelkader's been terrible in the playoffs. But don't release him, just hope that someone offersheets him and take the draft pick.

Lidstrom, Stuart, and White were all in my opinion better than Ericsson in the playoffs.

Because Ericsson was coddled and had has hand held and he couldn't stand on his own feet when Detroit had one of the best defenses in the NHL so there is no reason to expect that now that he has to live up to his contract he will turn it on and become a stud.

Ive made the this argument for years. That Lidstrom will retire and that not having a player waiting in the Wings (joke) and waiting until the last minute would end up biting the Wings in the ass.

At least Yzerman has balls. Holland has the balls of a Ken doll.

Because Detroit can roll 5 defensemen this season.

What I have to say to Holland: I hope Yzerman likes your office, I have a feeling he will be occupying it soon.

The Wings lost a generational talent... Generational talent>>>>Franchise players. Sorry but the Wings are still in a worse spot than either of the Preds or the Devils.

What I am hoping seeing as everything seems bleak: The Wings tank, that Cleary, Eaves, and Bert all over achieve, and that the Wings sell them for 1st rounders at the deadline.