marcaractac

What foresight to see a team with the best core in the league compete in the playoffs and make a run in them within 3 seasons. Holland is once again being dragged to success by all-time great players.

I willed that pick into existence. Just like I'm gonna will Savoie into this year's big pick.

Holland takes elite cores built by others and tries to find the correct blend of old-ass players to get through playoff runs. Unless a GM is actively hindering the team, anyone can get that core on a playoff run.

I'm getting the higher ceiling from the fact that Yzerman drafted him. Clearly, he and his scouting staff think he has a higher ceiling as well. Also, the ceiling has is not how good a prospect is now. Ceilings are based on overall potential. The reality is none of us know who will be better when all is said and done.

The issues with Cossa's game are very coachable. He has the size, ability, work ethic, and attitude to have all the success in the world at the NHL level. Not at all concerned. We knew these things going into that draft. Assuming he puts it all together, he will be better than Wallstedt. Is there a risk? Absolutely. But if it pays off we have our own Vasey. Higher ceiling, lower floor, longer development path. That's why Yzerman traded for Ned.

So basically Holland didn't wanna do the legwork of building a core, so wanted to go inherit one so he can further pad his resume? Multiple teams made offers to Kane. Kane chose Edmonton. I'd say that is more the luck of having guys like McDavid to play with than Holland being genius. Holland inherits high-end talent to win. I'll give him all the credit in the world for 2008, but that's about it. 2002 happened because players gave up salary to make it work.

Did he actually say he sucked though? Or did he just question where he was picked, as did 99% of other people at the time? I think these guys get far too caught up in rankings and s*** and are afraid to differ their opinions from that stuff. I myself never even heard of him when his name was called. Though I was pretty sold on him within like 30 mins of googling. I do love that in a redraft, Seider likely goes #1. Win. Let's do the same with Savoie.

In the end, they are fans with opinions just like us. They just have access to people within the organization from time to time. They certainly do not have any more insight on prospects than we do. We see the same things they do. They form opinions just like we do. They cling to hope Zadina will turn out to be good just like a lot of other lost Wings fans do. It's almost like everyone is simply human.

Max is a good journalist. But he is just that. A journalist. He being used as some authority on prospect/players is ******* weird.

Cossa was always gonna take longer to develop than Wallstedt. But clearly, management sees a higher ceiling with Cossa, which is why I have always also been Team Cossa. I do look forward to the meltdown when Wallstedt shows NHL success first though.

We need to fill that Savoie bandwagon. He'll fall to us because of his size, then become the next Brayden Point.

Hronek for #7 lmao. They do seem to lack intelligence over there.

You're totes gonna owe him. Nurse gonna get suspended lmao. Oilers gonna oiler.

Extend Bert for like 3 years then Bert for 2OA straight up. Devils wanna compete now. Give them Bert's prime years for the pick. If they don't like it, fine. They can just suck again.

Habs and Devils could very well win it again next year. The 5-year rule doesn't factor in any lottery wins before yesterday.

I'm pretty much in agreement with this. And because of the way he plays, I do not think his production is sustainable as he gets older. But someone got to pay the f*** up for him to get moved. Either a Mantha-level fleecing or getting a younger, high-end player in return. Obviously, the latter involves giving up more than just Bert. But Bert is probably a big enough piece to prevent having to give up a first-rounder.

Yeah, moving Bert would have to be for a great haul. Otherwise, there is no point. On the flip side, his value will likely never be higher than it is now. Especially if border restrictions f*** off before next season.

I still think using Bert and something like a 2nd rounder in a 3 way deal to land Chychrun would be awesome. I love Bert, but do have concerns about his style of play in the longer term. Even just this season there was a huge difference pre and post-all-star game.

We'll have very few good, young players who still need to learn how to succeed at the NHL level combined with a whole lot of plugs to fill out the roster. I don't really see what is so unfair about that. At best Edvinsson comes in and is as good as Seider in his first year and we're closer to a .500 team. I'm not saying this roster is gonna regress next year. I simply think teams around them will also improve, and some will pass them in the standings. When looking at ROW and goal differential, this team is well in the bottom 5.

We're gonna be bad anyway, but yeah, new coach for sure. At least let's be competitive in losses. I do think we finish lower in the standings next year than this. But we flirt with playoffs the season after. I expect it to be Detroit, Arizona, Philly, and Chicago in the Bedard/Michkov sweepstakes.

It's a fun gong show to watch, that is for damn sure. All they had to do was let their young players develop. That was it. The clown show began with what they gave us for Tatar.

That team has done everything they could to get away from what made them successful, to begin with since that playoff run. It's wild to see. Killing teams with speed? Better bring in slow guys. Going through a small slump all teams experience? Better fire the coach and bring in a guy who has gotten nothing done anywhere. Absolute disaster in goalie treatment. They were poised to be good for a long time and they f***ed it all up.

I don't think a lottery win this year impacts things in any way tbh. I think we get our top 10 pick this year, whether it's 1/2 or not, and a top 10 pick next year. THEN the playoff push will begin. I would love to see a Chychrun trade though. But have it centered around a top 10 protected 2023 draft pick. Obviously, it would take a lot more than that, but we know for a fact a first-rounder has to be included. I still think a 3-way trade that involves us moving Bert would be a nice way of landing Chychrun that could allow the Wings to retain all first-round picks. I'm not one who wants to see Bert moved for the sake of it, but if the right opportunity presents itself...

Pretty much what I expect to see happen. One more year of stopgaps, one more high-end draft next summer, then times will be changin'. At that point not only will be there a deep, young core to lure UFAs, but there will be a s*** load of trade assets too. Not gonna see any big 7+ year deals this summer unless it's to lock up someone like Larkin.

Truth. The fact that this clown thinks I wanna see him around for a cheap 8-year deal is laughable. I wanna see him become someone else's problem. But hey, it's a guy whose every idea would lead this team to be stuck in permanent mediocrity. Zadina fits that mold quite well. Standards are falling in the fanbase.