marcaractac

REBUILD OVER!!

You're accusing us of guaranteeing s***, when we are just saying how we think things will go down. Much like you are.

There is nothing you've said that isn't an "if" or "maybe" itself. There are no "guarantees" like you seem to believe. We think it's likely the team builds upon last season. You think they'll be the same, if not worst. Earlier in this thread I gave examples of about 10 teams that can very well have a lot go wrong. Not including the three train wrecks that will finish below us regardless. I like the odds of a better finish.

LASHOFF FOR ONE MORE YEAR! REBUILD OVER!!!

You did not say it was possible, you implied it was VERY likely. That's why we disagree with you. You think Yzerman is gionna trade Bert and Vrana for futures, despite him stressing that trading these types of players, he wants a younger, NHL player as part of the deal. Hence how he got Vrana to begin with. Teams pay Yzerman for a player entering their prime years for a younger comparable plus futures. He wants a competitive team that can win games. Because that's how you DEVELOP these young players.

Remeber how much Yzerman stressed we need to hit on some of those 2nd, 3rd round picks? He ain't counting on no top 5 picks for this. He'd make the playoffs this season if there was a way to do it without mortgaging the future.

******* Tampa made the final four at one point during their rebuild. Clearly Yzerman is not afraid to ice the best roster he can during a rebuild. If ******* Dougie Hamilton called up Yzerman two days ago and said "yo, I wanna play in Detroit for 2-3 years". Clearly Stevie would be all over that. This idea that Yzerman signs stop gaps by design to be a bad team is absurd. He doesn't get the good players because they want (and get) big term and big money. Yzerman gets the best he can while collecting futures and protecting the cap. It's really that simple.

subtract Hamilton and Bean. Add DeAngelo and Smith. GO home Canes, you're drunk. Nothing like dumping your goalies and dmen after finishing top 5 in goals against and pk.

Obviously you weren't being serious. Read between the lines please. The point being made here is that nobody has said the rebuild is over. It's words you are putting in everyone's mouth for some strange reason.

The only person that has been saying the rebuild is over is you

Massive overpayment

Right? If Yzerman could make the playoffs right now without ******* the future cap and giving up important assets, he would. He's not holding back the team "by design" to get a top 5 pick. He is making the team as good as he can while collecting assets and protecting the cap. For everyone worried about not getting to build this team with any lottery picks: Tampa was able to win a cup with just one: Hedman (Stammer played one game in the playoffs last year). Yzerman stressed time and time again some of the later picks have to hit. He is not counting on top picks to build this team.

T'was joke based on dialog from other thread

Who cares, apparently he'll be traded by the deadline anyway

On the Mantha trade, Yzerman was pretty set on getting a roster player back (Vrana). No reason to believe that won't continue to be his standard in these trades. He wants certainty in his returns, clearly. Prospects and picks don't give you any of that. As for Bert... Yyes, Yzerman is too busy to sign Bert, but made time for Ras and Pickard. We may not have heard about contract talks with Vrana and Hronek. But we also didn't hear that there weren't any, either. There is precedent with the Bertuzzi thing. Nobody can deny that.

Tampa getting some savage value for depth/role players. They'll be right there again come final four next year's playoffs.

He even took the right one

Yeah Bert is as good as gone. And the sooner the better, as the return from a team that can extend him would be much higher than the one year arbitration deal leading him to UFA we're headed to. Let's trade him while a team can lock him up for all his prime years instead of being forced to move him as a rental later.

Right off the bat next season, Buffalo, Anaheim, Columbus, Arizona are noticeably worse than the Wings. SJ will continue to suck. Vancouver will probably suck. Calgary might suck. The Habs will regress. Minnesota is certainly a candidate to free fall. Ottawa, despite improvement last year, can very well regress. We don't know what Seattle will be at this point. Nice on the back end, not much to write home about up front. That's four teams we'll certainly finish ahead of and 7 others we'll likely be in the same neck of the woods with. Hell even Nashville could regress big time. Or even the Blues. Two more teams on the down swing of things. How fast that happens, only time will tell. Not to mention we were only as bad as we were last season because the team continued to play with like 6+ players out with COVID, where every other team postponed games which such numbers. Factor out that slump and the Wings were close to a .500 team last year. Now there has been improvement in goal, a much improved defense, and center depth added up front with Suter. I think it's a little silly to expect a bottom 5 finish.

Yzerman needs to spend $10 mil to reach the cap floor. #destiny And before anyone gives me the "WELL ACTUALLY....", yes. I know we have RFAs to sign hat will clearly get us to the floor.

He'll be good, I have no doubt. But they still should have kept Bean.

If we were Buffalo or Arizona and were destined for bottom 5 for the foreseeable future, I wouldn't. But with what we have? I'm guessing without Pettersson we're 5-10 worst in 2022 and 10-15 worst in 2023. With him, we're fighting for a wildcard spot this season. So yeah, I'd totes do it. Though I get not wanting to, as there is more to factor in than just draft picks (unwritten rule stuff and what not).

They also lost Bean and Hamilton in favor of DeAngelo.

I imagine it as giving up two firsts (which I am not convinced at all would be top 10 with Pettersson), to bring in a 21 year old talent who absolutely is a 1st overall pick quality talent. The alternative being having a first two years in a row, 2022 likely being the 5-10 range, the 2023 likely not even being bottom 10 period, to simply have a CHANCE at acquiring a player of his quality. Those are odds I myself would take all day long.