marcaractac

I do not disagree at all. As you said, the offseason will tell us everything in terms of the direction of the rebuild. I think out of Berggren, Edvinsson, Soderblom, only Berggren wins a roster spot next season. Edvinsson is a maybe, but the latter two I think could use some NA ice adjustment. I agree the current roster is not far from being good. But I think if Yzerman doesn't pull the trigger too quickly the team could be set up for a much longer window. I don't think he will shy away from his patient approach because of the first half we had. I certainly don't think he will be looking to tank either, of course.

Tampa went from bottom feeder to making a decent playoff run early in Yzerman's tenure. It did not stop him from focusing on futures. This team certain can make the playoffs sooner rather than later. I just don't see a long-term cup window if they go for it now. We'd be a wildcard team that gets knocked out in the first round by one of Tampa, Carolina, Florida every year. I think over the next season or two we see many current 25+ guys get moved, which in turn could make the team even worst, albeit younger, next season. Also, when I say 5 years, I don't mean 5 years from making the playoffs. I mean 5 years from doing something in the playoffs once we get there. Depending on how the next four months shake out will tell the tale. If a guy like Bert gets moved (whether it be TDL or summer), we know it's gonna take a little longer than what the first half of this season had many of us believe. I think the team's record without Bert in the lineup speaks volumes.

Fabbri is on a 3-year deal. That is a "keep some competent players around for the rebuild" contract. My guess is Larkin is the only 25+ player who will be around when this team, contends again. Even then, I don't think he'll be 1C when that time comes. The first half of the season got folks excited. Myself included. But we're still 5 years away from seeing this team win playoff rounds. A 32-year-old Bertuzzi, unfortunately, does not fit that window very well. Bert's value is at an all-time high right now. I'm not even convinced contenders would be worried about the Canada thing.

He's Jay Baruchel from Wish.

So we should trade for a pending UFA because he might get dealt?

It's a buyers market this year and teams are still overpaying

Then they could f*** right off because that's a top 10 first. It would be different if we were a playoff time and the pick was in the 20s. But as far as I'm concerned, you choose either the top 10 pick OR Edvonsson as the centerpiece of this trade and work from there. The Wings second rounder will be closer than the first they'd get froma. contender than our first round pick is ffs haha.

I'd never pull the trigger if we had to give up Edvinsson to get Chycrhun. The hope would be a 1st (probably also a 3rd in the following year), that they see potential in Zadina, plus any prospect not named Edvinsson, Cossa, or Soderblom. Likely not enough, but if the price remains too high it likely eventually comes down a little bit. Such a deal would hinge on Zadina's value tbh, and whether or not the Yotes think a change of scenery would help the kid. I look at what Vegas gave up to get Eichel and work from there. Our first is a hell of a lot higher, so we shouldn't have to give up our best prospect. Adding Chychrun makes any of our d prospects not named Edvinsson expendable.

Just look at the AAV Ristolainen just got. He is awful. Lindholm is a good dman (that I've never disputed). If Risto can get $5M per year, I shudder to think what getting Lindholm could cost. Carolina is likely gonna have a couple of centers hit the market July 1. Trocheck or Kotkaniemi. I wouldn't mind seeing either one of those signed. Trocheck will come cheaper than Forsberg. Kotkaniemi would simply be bringing in a 22 yo center and seeing what he could become. No way the Canes qualify him at 6.5M. I also still think a Chychrun trade is the best option for a LHD.

GMs who come up with your "pipe dreams" end up being the Philadelphia Flyers. Heaven forbid I not be overcome with joy at the thought of Hampus ******* Lindholm. I also don't know how many more times I can reiterate that I do not have an issue with him being signed. If he were willing to take a team-friendly deal to come to the Swedish Wings? Fine! Do it up! But he is gonna get massively overpaid being one of the top UFA targets. Every damn year we see these contracts get inked that end up as regret in little time, yet here we are.... again with these silly little wet dreams that you have. What is the world like with such a smooth brain?

Followed by the back letting in 2 goals in 3 shots.

Imma hack you

Did the real blueadams just stand up?

That sums up my life. Traveling the world to sleep with hookers, yet still finding the time to hack a random r-slur on the internet. He kept throwing around terms like 'IP address' and 'VPN' to try and make it sound like he knew what he was talking about. Apparently, you and I have the same IP! Wild!

My favorite was his claims of proof that I was the one hacking him

Sadly I feel Rossi would be on their untouchable list.

100%

The Wild are slumping pretty hard right now. Makes one wish Stevie can fleece them of Rossi in a panic trade hahaha. They also really need to dump some cap with the penalties for Suter and Parise really kicking in next season.

I think Yzerman fixes the issue on LHD before the TDL this season rather than wait on UFA anyway. But hey, DK is currently off the roster. That's addition by subtraction right there.

As for older vets, we can offer more money than most on a short deal and retain salary to move them at the deadline. Also more minutes! That is my train of thought there. The list of players you mention that Yzerman acquired has one big thing in common that we wouldn't get with Lindholm: Cap flexibility. No long-term deals that can be a pain in the ass later on. Guys like Trocheck, Kotkaniemi (can't imagine he gets qualified at that salary), Zadorov, Copp all will be cheaper than the likes of Lindholm and Forsberg. The latter two are this year's UFA darlings and will get overpaid because they are at the top of what is available. I'd absolutely take either on a team-friendly deal. I just do not see that happening at all.

This. Like, the Rags got Panarin. No harm in that type of move to bring in a player THAT good. Elite players still play at a high level into their 30s. Much less risk on those UFAs. Lindholm and Forsberg are not that. I'd rather see Yzerman take a swing at a guy like Giordano for a year. Sure he is old, but he can still produce. Much less risk. I'd much rather trade for Chychrun and sign someone like Trocheck... an actual center... which we need. He'll also be cheaper than Forsberg. We still wouldn't be a contender, but we'd add a dman who has yet to enter his prime as well as some much needed depth down the middle.

Oh, now I do not know how UFA works? I'm aware of the UFA age. Stop being a condescending c***. I'm simply saying that if spending money on a free agent, get one that is so good that they'll still be a star player well into their 30s. Nobody ******* said anything about a magical 22 yo UFA. I'm talking about the QUALITY of a player, not the AGE of a player. I'm not convinced a player of Lindholm's caliber will be any better than what is in the pipeline by the time we contend. I sure as hell wouldn't spend money on a guy who is only now above a ppg player in a contract year, hitting only 64 points previously. Not to mention wingers are very much NOT a position of need. Yeah, we need a LHD. There are better options, whether it be a trade for someone better/younger or going with a veteran stopgap on a shorter-term deal. But please, educate me on more common sense, please.

Maybe Michkov will fall to us in 2023!

I'd give up Zadina, 1st, and a prospect not named Edvinsson, Cossa, or Soderblom

Another clown putting words in my mouth I see. When have I ever said we don't have the cap space? We have lots. But that doesn't mean Yzerman should be mindlessly spending it for the sake of it either. Why invest long-term cap into two players who will be on decline by the time the team contends? Neither Lindholm, Forsberg, or both make the team a contender now. You'd be providing an upgrade now and two problems later. Clearly, you haven't been paying attention to what Yzerman did in Tampa, because spending big on UFAs when they weren't even a playoff team yet wasn't it. Investing 15 million into two good, not great players gets you into a wildcard spot. Then murdered by Tampa/Carolina/Florida in the first round. And yeah, let's invest in a left-winger with a career-high of 64 points, who magically pops off in a contract year. If there was a legit superstar hitting UFA, I'd say go for it. But Lindholm/Forsberg level guys who are gonna get overpaid? That ain't it.