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Management f***ed up by not benching Green a few years back leading up to the deadline. Went from all but guaranteed a first round pick to him getting hurt and not being traded. And now look at him... Luckily Nielsen is approaching buyout affordability at this point. Literally just Abby that we're stuck with. Thankfully one bad contract does no damage. Franzen's deal is up this year too. Then it's one more year for Hank, and one more year for the Weiss buyout.

Just seeing Ericsson's name makes me so excited for training camp, when so much current dead weight does not return. We'll literally be down to just Abby and Nielsen. Sure we may take on a bad contract or two by the deadline, but at least they'd bring along picks or prospects with them.

I have used my eyes. Bernier has been great. I clearly said that the stats back that up. And it is becoming more common to have two reliable goalies. Teams are playing #1 goalies less. Teams also need two reliable goalies in case one gets hurt. It's not rocket science. Bernier earned more starts with his play. That's why Howard rides the bench most nights. He will absolutely not be splitting starts with Howard to finish the season. He'll by far be getting the most starts. They aren't gonna showcase Howard. Bernier will continue to play because he gives the team the best chance to not get blown out.

All the numbers (including advanced stats) back up what I'm saying about Bernier. The league is increasingly getting away from goalies playing 60+ games a year if you haven't noticed. Having a 1a/1b situation in goal is becoming more and more common. Also, Bernier will start more than 50 games by the end of the season. Despite having missed time with injury. If not for that, he'd eclipse 55+ easy. So yeah, that IS Bernier.

Exactly. Issue is, it would likely be a late 2nd, in which case he is more valuable to the Wings than that. The fact that Bernie is only worth a 3rd yet Georgiev is worth 2 seconds and Hirose is laughable. One is an unproven backup, the other is a veteran who has finally found consistency in his game. It's not outrageous to think that Bernier can be extended to see things through until a younger goalie takes the job. Of course, that's assuming he continues playing the way he has.

He simply cannot comprehend the difference between a player's actual value versus their value to the team they are currently on.

Because you'd be trading a starter for a backup. And if the trades go down as you suggested, it would cost us a lot more than we'd bring in. Counting on Georgiev to pan out as a starter would be a dumb risk to give up assets for. We just as well wait and see what pans out with what we have, considering we'll suck a few more years anyway. And yes, Bernier IS OUR starting goalie. He is also putting up numbers that would currently make him a starter elsewhere as well. Just because he has been a backup most of his career, does not mean he always will be one. Literally every NHL goalie started as a backup. Some goalies take longer than others to establish as a starter, some never do. Putting up good numbers on a team with a historically bad goal differential is actually a big deal. And once again, believing in sensible asset management does not equal being attached. If Georgiev has so much promise, why is a rebuilding team so anxious to give him up? They'd keep him if he was that good. You literally said you'd give up either two seconds and Hirose or a second and a third and Hirose for Georgiev. Massive overpayment when we already have a goalie here who is good enough to play through a rebuild. Bernier is keeping games close. That is essential for development of the rest of the team. There is no reason to mess with that to acquire a third round pick.

Hirose and picks is based on your very trade proposal for a goalie. Something we'd have to do if we traded Bernier and struck out in UFA. Whether you admit it or not, Bernier IS a starting goalie. He is getting the starts of a starting goalie and is putting up the numbers. Just because someone doesn't wanna see players given away for next to nothing, does not mean one is attached to said player. It's a matter of having realistic views of asset management. If you wanna overpay for an unproven Georgiev, then fine. But he is LITERALLY a backup goalie. On a non-playoff team, I might add. Bernier is a starter who is giving this garbage of a roster a chance to win every time he is in net. The numbers back that up.

So we trade Bernier for a 3rd. Yzerman strikes out in UFA on goalies. Doh! Now we have to trade for one, likely costing more than the 3rd we get for Bernie. So now we lose two seconds and Hirose to replace Bernier for a goalie who isn't even an upgrade. Poor asset management. How about keep Bernier, the two EARLY second rounders, and Hirose, and all we don't get is some LATE third round pick? Makes more sense to use those second rounders and Hirose on something we don't already have, yeah?

I agree that this team is going nowhere any time soon, BUT it is important to get reliable goaltending to keep games within reach for the young, developing players. It helps nobody to have Howard in net giving up 4-5 goals every game, which has been the main problem this season. Bernier seems to have found consistency and he has absolutely been playing like a #1 goalie these last couple months. The numbers reflect that. He has always had the tools, and was once a highly regarded goaltending prospect. Sometimes it just takes goalies a while to put it all together. Teams with goalie issues would be stoked to have current Bernier. Regardless if you agree or not, he is worth a lot more to this team than a 3rd, or even 2nd round pick. Of course you move Hirose as part of a package if it brings in something the Wings need. There is just no GM out there who is gonna come shopping for Hirose as a primary piece. That's why it's likely he will be hung on to for a while. I agree he likely has no future here, but he is young enough to increase his trade value for the time being.

If Hirose is a piece of a bigger package that someone wants, absolutely. I just don't see any teams knocking on the door for him specifically at this juncture. My guess is contenders want to target players with experience for their playoff run depth. Teams would likely come to Yzerman looking for an disney.com or Helm at this point to load up for a playoff run.

Georgiev makes most sense because of his price for the Leafs, yes. Chicago really wants to re-sign Lehner, however. Bernier in Toronto was a mess because he wasn't the goalie then that he is now. It happens. I agree that he won't likely be dealt, though you'd have to be crazy to give him up for a 3rd. He is much more valuable to this team than a 3rd round pick for the very reason you stated: We'd potentially have no goalie going into next season. Bernier has been great this year. Unless a team is going to significantly overpay for him, he should stay. If he is the #1 going into next season, he should be extended. As for Hirose, there is not much of a reason to trade him right now. He has about as little value as one could have at the moment. See if he pans out at the NHL level, revisit trading him then. Wings own his rights, so there is no rush on moving him.

They'll be looking at all options considering how much of a disaster their backup is. Bernier now >>>>>> Bernier during his last run with the Leafs. The fact that he has a .908 save percentage with this Wings roster shows that he has been phenomenal this season. But hopefully you're right, because I wanna see Bernier stick around. He keeps this play up, he can easily be our goalie for the next 4-5 years.

This. There is also next season to consider as well. If Bernier keeps this play up, he can very well be the goalie that leads the team out of the rebuild while we wait for someone younger to take the job. As far as I'm concerned, a team would have to overpay for Bernier. So while he may very well be only worth a second, I'd demand a first, as I feel he has more value to this team going forward than a late second rounder from a contender does. Then the Leafs don't get Bernier. Simple.

For either player or just in general, also explore any chance to take on bad short-term contracts for picks and/or prospects.

I think disney.com's value to this team is higher than a late second rounder (as it would be a contender wanting to add a player like him). I'm guessing a team has to overpay to get him, as he is literally the only good veteran player on the team. I also think moving Helm should wait until next year, as he will have more suitors on an expiring contract. Teams may be heasitant to take on a contract for next year, even with salary retained. I also think you can get a second for him, as he is still a really good role player.

Gusev #1 TDL commodity confirmed

Then please, take your own advice. Wow, it must have taken you all day to come up with that one. After all, I was about 7 years old the last time I've heard it.

It all makes sense now

nyqvististhefuture be like: reality: AA's line on the ice for every goal against. Because he sucks. False. You're incapable of learning.

nyqvististhefuture is not capable of such things

Just take it as a suppository

Just like your opinion doesn't mean s***, because they are moronic at best. And who the hell is saying anything about Detroit trading for Gusev? You're literally making s*** up. Clearly you can't read sarcasm. Must be a low IQ thing.