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Why does it feel like Nick is on The Price Is Right or something

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First the Quincy trade Then resigning Sammy Then resigning Cleary Now This???? GET THE f*** OUT HOLLAND!!

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Sooo....it's fine if all those players come from other NHL teams, just not the one you like? If Jonathan Toews had played injured for Canada, then came back and missed a game for the Hawks, would you care? Or would you only care if you were a hawks fan? Or if Toews played for the wings?

Maybe this is "unpatriotic" of me being American, but I was kinda pulling for Sweden to win the gold since all the Wings were named (in addition to how much I like how the Swedes run their country, I would definitely move there if I ever become willing to learn another language!). Don't get me wrong, I was still hoping for the US to pull it off, but I'm not really a "big" fan of any of the US players. I guess I'm just more emotionally attached to the Swedish Wings players than I am to invisible arbitrary lines drawn on the globe.

You should tell that to our training staff

Sounds like it was a simple discectomy (maybe not simple with the way they are describing a "floating piece" of disc). I had the same surgery about 4 years ago. With the disc pressing on any nerve, that pain was about 20 times worse than just the disc being degenerative. The nerve pain is what really stops you from doing your normal activities. With the disc no longer pressing on the nerve, he'll start feeling quite a bit better. I'm confident an athletically built Zetterberg with world class after-surgery care will be back to his normal self.

I've never heard about that. I guess that makes sense.I just figured since he had some contributions he would get a medal (hell it wouldn't even have to be a goal, even just getting out on the ice for a shift and playing defense or something should be enough)

Now we know why Hudler was always in the doghouse

Well he got more ice time than the backup goalie. He scored a goal too, didn't he? And he was the captain of the team. Those things have gotta count for something. I'm educated guessing he gets a medal. (As long as they do in fact medal! )

First of all sorry if i'm sounding angry. Frustrated, yes! Because I've seen this brought up a number of times by multiple people. It's not just you, otherwise this could have been taken to PM's. But since there are other people who don't understand now they can read exactly why it doesn't matter. I'm trying (mostly) to attack your argument because it doesn't make any sense, not you as an individual. That being said..... No, no you haven't. Yes, I have debunked the hypothesis that there is even an issue with when or how they get paid during these years. It sure seems like you disagreed with the premise of paying them while they are not working, even though you "knew" it didn't really matter. Why would you think that anything you've said here would apply to how the NHL pays it's players if you "fully understood and always had understood" that it did not matter.

Ken Holland on Zets injury per The Malik Report

Why in gods name would it matter if they still get a check this week?? Ask anybody that works for a school system. Read this example carefully. If you still don't understand after this example then there really isn't any hope for you to understand this. They only work 9 months of the year. during that time there are also breaks in the schedule such as christmas break and spring break. Lets say their salary is $60,000. They work at the school for 40 weeks (12 weeks off for summer vacation). You can either pay them the $60,000 during the 40 weeks they are working with 20 pay-periods and each payment is $3000. They still get paid over the breaks during the school year. They do not get a check during their non working months in the summer. OR (this is the important part) they can elect to to get payed with 26 pay-periods and each payment is $2307.692. They will still get checks during the summer when they are not working. Either way you still end up paying them......THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY($60,000)!!!! IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THEY GET A PAYCHECK WHILE THEY ARE GONE!! Now of course this wouldn't apply if it was an unscheduled 2 week break from work where you already began checks in the larger amount (even then there would be ways to work around this). But this happens every 4 years and has been scheduled for years. I'm done with this argument checks and pay-periods. I've debunked it several times in the past 2 weeks. This doesn't even seem to be the issue the owners have. Their argument seems to be that...ya know what forget it. Nobody wants to know what the actual arguments are, they just want what they think the arguments should be. I deleted what I had to say about you're "no economic gain" as it seems that me pointing out the truth of any matter is rubbing people the wrong way. Sorry for bursting you're bubbles filled with non-issues & trying to give you guys some real issues to think about!

This should tell you how back injuries are sometimes: My back starting hurting (more than usual) about a month ago. I tried to just push through it and do my normal activities. A week and a half ago it got worse, but again I just kept trying to push through it. I've got stuff to do, ya know?! Last weekend it got so bad that even through the 15mg of Vicodin along with the medical marijuana, I could barely get out of bed or even move around in bed without extreme pain in my back and my leg. I was sure it was some new injury, as it was on the other side of my back and other leg than before. I was mentally preparing for a round of MRI's and surgery to fix this one as had to be done with the last one. After a few days of resting, icing, and stretching, I seem to be almost back to "normal" which still isn't great but is manageable. (so to whoever was asserting that back pain can't just go away without surgery I can tell you that is completely false, like I said this seemed to be a new injury) The point of the story is....You never know how or what or when back pain is going to flair up or begin to get better. It's possible that Zetterberg just needs a little bit of rest, which he will now get, and some non-invasive treatment and he will be back to "normal". That's not to say he won't need surgery and miss a bunch of games or the rest of the season, as I'm not a doctor or someone familiar with whats going on with him. That could well be the case. But I just wanted to throw it out there that occasionally these things can "heal" up somewhat quicker than expected

You know I just reread that post you made and I don't think there the is any way it could be interpreted for it to come off like you knew they weren't being paid extra and that the league isn't actually losing any games. And sure, they did shut down (for months on months) & lose short term to gain more money in the long term, while also completely killing any momentum the league was gaining...Which is exactly why its absurd to now come back and say that you don't want to "shut down" the league for two weeks (while not losing any games, still playing 82!) because it's killing the league's momentum. The days that aren't being used for NHL games right now wouldn't have had any NHL games on them anyway (team-wise anyway), they just would have been spread out more throughout the season. The only difference is every team is taking a break at the same time (much like they do for all-star breaks, where they shut down and send their best players to play in a "meaningless" game, risking potential injury to their stars). And you think this amounts to absolutely no exposure? TJ Oshie has been all over the news the past few days, and a bunch of people tuned in to watch the US-Russia game at 7:30 in the morning (earlier on west coast). What exactly is that if it's not exposure? I'm mean this is like Steve Jobs saying he wouldn't have wanted the PC in general to get too much exposure because it would be bad for Apple's bottom line... I'm shocked that you as a business owner don't know how salary works. The players get paid a set amount for the year in exchange for a certain amount of work (82 games in this case). As long as they get that amount of work done within the year it doesn't matter if they stop for two weeks. But you know maybe I'll give you a pass on this one, I'm sure Lemonade Stand owners don't pay their employees with a salary. I guess if you said anything right it's that some fans ARE like sheep. They just take the owners word for it (or the players, doesn't matter who the information is coming from) and don't do any critical analysis of their own. That's what being a sheep is.

Well that doesn't mean their salaries wouldn't count in this scenario! And I would hate for a reporter to have to do some actual investigating before publishing their bulls***, but I'm aware of how hard it is to find information like that in the age of the internet!

From what I've read, he was feeling fine during and after the game. Went to bed fine, woke up in pain. It might have had nothing to do with him playing and everything to do with the bed he slept on in the Olympic Village. And I'm almost sure (*almost*) he doesn't take any narcotics for the pain. Maybe right now when its this bad he will, but I would guess that it's usually massages and injections. Hopefully he can get some medical marijuana when he retires

Man...some f***ing people on this board have have some serious issues using logic and reason. It wouldn't be that bad if they weren't so arrogant about their arguments. I mean if your argument is "If his pre-existing injury flares up while playing hockey in the US, THAT'S FINE!!. But if his pre-existing injury flares up while playing hockey with a different group of players, on a different/bigger sheet of ice, against lower competition, playing a less physical style of hockey (along with other ridiculous notions about payment/contracts and vacation days which have been debunked countless times), then all of a sudden he's a horrible selfish person who is only thinking of himself and wasn't thinking about the fans (ME specifically!! wahhh!! wahhh!)" Seriously?? That's your argument?? I have a herniated disc/degenerative disc disease in my low back. I have to take a huge amount of Vicodin and medical marijuana just to sit through 12 credits of classes. I know exactly how painful it can be at times and what kind of things can aggravate it (nobody has even said how he hurt it. All it takes sometimes is getting in your car the wrong way, especially when it's already flaring up because you've been pushing through it for months). I can't imagine playing hockey at the NHL level with the amount of pain I have sometimes. If you think that Z playing through the pain for the past few months (FOR THE WINGS!!) is anything short of a miracle, especially with this training staff, then I just don't know what somebody has to do to please you. I honestly feel bad for anybody that has to deal with you guys on a daily basis.

Oh I think I estimated the owners about right. I think everybody else is overestimating the owners concerns about shutting down the league. Just think about this for a second, these are the same guys who wiped out an entire season and almost another (maybe about 52 weeks worth of games). Do you honestly think these guys are worried about 2-3 weeks every 4 years?? That's child's play to these guys. And I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the owners who have a problem with the Olympics are the same ones who supported the lockouts. Talk about irony.

1A. The number doesn't matter, I was responding to the assertion that if you make greater than X amount of dollars, then the person who willingly gave it to you in exchange for you're service somehow has the power to stop you from doing what you professionally do. 2A. That wasn't my argument, I said if they weren't filming the TV show for say 2 months, you can't stop the Actor from taking a 6 week movie gig in the time off just because you don't like it. 3. That isn't the whole point of contention. A part of it, yes (maybe a big part of it), but not the whole point. And I understand the principle behind it, but I think any negative effects of "shutting down during the season" are just a figment of people's imaginations. We're talking about moving from an average of 2.8 games per week for each team during non-interrupted seasons to 3.03 games per week during Olympic years (Every 4 seasons) due to the two week break. Still the same 82 games being scheduled that they have every year. We're talking about maybe 50 out of 600 NHL players for a whopping 8% of employees going to the Olympics (I just took these numbers out of a hat, if anybody has the real numbers I'll redo the calculations). Over 90% of NHL players are getting a two week vacation to rest/heal/recover/get healthy. And there are a few teams that are actually sending younger players to the minors to play some games over the break, so the organizations obviously aren't too worried about players getting injured playing for someone else. As I've covered in other posts, the owners aren't actually losing any home games or mysteriously required to pay out an extra paycheck to every player. These are all non issues. Are there other issues that might be legitimate? Yeah, there are. But I think everything I've discussed in this thread should/could be resolved by using l little more brain power.

Just because you get paid alot of money doesn't mean whoever is giving it to you "owns" you. If an actor makes 20 million for a TV season, that doesn't mean you can prevent them from making movies while not shooting the TV series.

Well are they worried about long term growth or short term profits? Because if its long term growth, then I honestly can't think of a better way to do it than have a tournament every so often featuring the most elite players the game has to offer going head to head. Not some cheesy All-Star game where the players don't try and nothing is on the line. You need a Tournament with real rewards and real pride on the line. I was gonna say the same thing. This might end up leading to young players deferring their Pro starts until after the Olympics has passed. Could you imagine if Cros...(He who shall not be named), or any young talented player decided not to enter the league as soon as he could so they could get their Olympic games in while they were still allowed? Just another thing to think about.

Look every weed dealer in the country knows its bad business model to take from your profits only to give them to a money hole. Lets say I can buy an oz of grass for $200, and I CAN sell it for $300. lets say I have 15 oz and every one is profitable. Thats $1500 profit. Now same deal, but I buy 30 oz at $200 and half of them only sell for $150. Now I only make a profit of $750 on the whole 30 oz deal, whereas I was making twice as much with less product to sell. (someone check my mathematics haha) It's the same with the NHL. If there are teams bringing down the bottom line of the entire league and the owners are OK with this, then I just can't have any sympathy for them for issues like these. And if every drug dealer in America knows this then why can't a lawyer and a bunch of billionaire owners figure it out? EDIT: And for the people bitching about the locations & time zones of the games, you want the entire world to revolve around the 5 % of its population living in the US & Canada, just because you are slightly inconvenienced at having to watch a Hockey game?? Get F***ing Real!! That's honestly one of the most Elitist things I've ever heard!