dawings1905

So lets see..... 3.95 mil for 22 goals and 24 assists (and a proven playoff performer) Franzen For 7.9 mil and 18 goals and 21 assists? No thanks. Not to mention the cap space you lose on one player. I am having a hard time seeing how this is an upgrade other than the name recognition.

maybe they just see it as a waste of time, like myself.

So I guess White didn't put up any points last season?

Thank god then that you aren't the GM. Mule, Flip and considerations for Buf? Are you crazy? I would hate to see the team you would ice for us. JMO.

Source? Or are we talking about you and your neighbor talking out by your mailboxes as the "word on the streets"? Unless you provide a source, then "word on the streets" is garbage. IMO. Not to mention what you are looking for, and what you get, are two different things. When I buy a powerball ticket I am looking to become a millionaire, but what I usually get is either nothing, or an 8 dollar winner. Just sayin.....

Cap hit is all that matters to us fans, and Z is having back problems that may at some point cut his career short. They both have contracts until they are 40. So if you have a problem with one, then you should have a problem with the other if your criteria is what is mentioned above. Funny thing is....For how "crappy" Franzens season was, he still led the team in goals. IMO it is still about the cap hit, and 3.9 is nowhere near 6.66. His cap hit is a bargain. As far as 6,7,8,9 or 10 years time, well heck......3.9 might be league minimum by then.

Um, you do realize that Franzen (basically a 30 goal scorer, and outside of last season, has been a playoff beast) is paid almost half of what Richards just got? Richards gets 6.5 mil, while Franzen gets 3.9 mil. I am trying to figure out how in todays grossly overpaid market, a 30 goal scorer for 3.9 mil is an albatross? 3.9 for a 30 goal guy is a bargain in todays NHL. But go ahead and use a poor example to try and benefit your argument somehow. You can compare Z to Richards as they make similar money. Franzen does not. While the length may be similar, the $$$$ is bargain. For crying out loud, Leino makes more per season than Franzen.

This should tell the Huds defenders on here what most GM's and Coaches think of Huds. By the way, at least Leino has produced at a VERY high level in the playoffs before.

I will take that bet. We may not sign someone today, but he will spend at some point. Here are the reasons. Limited window for Lids, next season is probably it, and this team is worse than it was this last season as it stands right now. Reason 2.... Lids comes off the books as does Huds and others that will free up cap space for next season that your are saying is needed.

my hope is that Hudler and Eva will be traded for a Happy Meal.

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I watched, but pretty much already knew the outcome before it started. I mean, Buttman had already done everything in his power to assist the Pens, he sure as heck wasn't going to let them lose game 7. Actually game 7 was pretty well reff'd IMO. It was game three that really turned the series around. You know the game where the Pens skated for a good 30 seconds with an extra attacker, and then the linesman went to let them know they had too many men so the extra Pen could get off the ice. There were just too many things against us. From Gary setting up the schedule for back to backers on short rest, for a team that he (and everyone else) knew was depleted and tired. To the game 3 debacle, and the Pens getting the first PP in 6 out of 7 games, and getting more PP in 6 out of 7. The writing was on the wall for the SCF 09. Gary and his baby were going to raise the cup together. PERIOD!!! By the time game 7 rolled around our boys were worn out, and demoralized because they had seen first hand what was going on in front of them. 09 SCF almost made me stop watching the NHL altogether. I still refuse to watch the Pens. In hopes that I will not help their ratings. I know its silly. 09 SCF was one of the most disgusting displays of blatant corruption I have witnessed. IMO.

And this is why it always turns into a huge psssing contest. Because some on here want to make things absolutes. Like it is possible to say that Power forwards were always defined in black and white in the past. Yeah right. According to GMR I guess, Websters defined Power forwards in the 80's and 90's. OK. Well like it or not, Most consider Franzen a Power Forward in todays game. You can either adjust, or hold onto the past like it is coming back. Kinda like the guy in the room (you know that guy that drives everyone nuts) that always has to act like he has been there and done that years before everyone else. "Back in the summer of 62 we used to eat nails before we walked to work 12 miles, up hill both ways, carrying our entire family home." Of course that was before folks could afford to drive their families around. You know the guy. Anyway, see below for what most consider Franzen. Quote taken from Ansar Khan. "Johan Franzen, who developed into one of the NHL's premier power forwards the past two seasons, will miss at least four months with a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee." Or if you wish to see the entire article see below Power forward -The Mule

We also got the occasional goal from the third line, which Modano will help with. Huds can't do it alone. Scoring from our third line in the playoffs last year was almost non existent. Point is you can skew any argument to try and fit your own perceptions as to what we had last time vs what we are trying to do this time. The bottom line is, this TEAM will be better with Modano than without (more than likely). Sorry, but the anti Modano arguments sound like sour grapes to me, due to Kenny not allowing someone on these boards to be GM. And to that point, I will take Kenny's track record over the past decade over any of the posters on this board. The wings, as they have done many times before, can win a cup without being known as a fighting team. I know that upsets some folks who for some reason would like to go back to the days of Probert. ( I even saw someone post that on here the other day). Remind me again, how many cup/winning seasons did we have in his era? Just sayin....

More knowledgeable......Kenny Holland and Wings management (arguably the best managed team in pro sports) or random message board guy with a bolded sig line of defense and goaltending win championships? Hmmm.....Let me see here. Boy I dunno this one is pretty tough. I think I will go with random message board turd here. Dude you should totally apply for a GM position in the NHL. I mean, I don't think anyone could have thought of that cliche "defense and goaltending wins championships". Nah, nevermind.... aren't you late for the little yellow bus?

Chris Minard will always have a special place in my heart as he was a goal scoring machine for our local club the Alaska Aces in the ECHL. He was our leading goal scorer with 49 (from what I remember), and scored the biggest goal of the season for us in game 7 in the conference finals in double overtime. Guy was a great team player and a funny guy. I hope he does well in Grand Rapids. Great locker room guy.

Here is some quick counts for the hawks losses. Just from my count that is 82 regular season goals, 23 playoff goals (or 30 percent of their offense in their cup run) YOWZA!!!! That is pretty rough.

Maybe, but there is also a reason that the wings have been able to sign players at a cheaper rate than most teams, and loyalty is one of those reasons. To me its a double edged sword. Is Malts the best option? Probably not, but at the same time if you start treating players like Dallas did Modano then we might lose that hometown discount we have been getting for years. So for my money, I will gladly take a Malts to have the possibility of retaining a Z for 6 mil.

So the reason you are on A WINGS forum is because Wings fans have opinions that differ from yours (remember they are opinions and neither can be proven either way right now), and that agitates you to a point that you will endlessly make attempts to argue who's OPINION is FACTUALLY correct? Got it, makes sense to me. Seriously how old are you? Three? And how dumb do you have to be to go to another teams site and try to change the opinions of a large portion of their fanbase? BTW, If the Wings were losing say..... Holmstrom, Flip, Lilja, and Big E, prior to FA even beginning (and replacing them with prospects whom had never really done much in the league) do you really think the Wings would contend for the cup? I don't, and I don't think the Hawks will win the cup with the losses they have already. What you probably don't realize due to your 40 + years of obscurity is that those players you lost are huge depth players that played a very significant role in your cup run. I ask you this......How many goals to Hoss score for you in the playoffs? Then tell me how many Buff and Versteeg scored? Get it yet?

Sorry Jake, but I dislike this idea. The way it is setup now is one of the many things that makes this trophy so special. It is what makes it the most difficult trophy in all of sports to win. Why would you want to change that?

We will just have to agree to disagree then (and BTW Feds was one of my all time favs), but I am not just talking dekes. That is why they have given the nickname "dangle" to Dats. He dangles with the puck, and no one can seem to get it from him. The reason Feds was so difficult to get the puck from was his speed (Not the only reason, but def helped) he was so dangerously fast that they gave him soooooo much room to operate most of the time. Whereas Dats is not a speed demon and can wheel and deal through 2 and 3 guys. Sometimes he will even lose the puck for a second and get it right back (much of the time in fact) I just think Dats is a better stickhandler than Feds. That's my opinion, and I would even bet most analysts would agree. Feds is a great player, and I am not taking anything away from him, but make no mistake his skating ability was the biggest thing that set him apart from almost everyone. The guy had a top gear that nearly no one could match, and he got there as quick as anyone. When you have that type of weapon, defenses tend to back off. The things Dats does with the puck is magic however. The guy does things that other players won't even attempt.

Feds was good, but Dats has him in the Stickhandling/playmaking abilities IMO. Feds was def faster, and had a harder shot and was one smooth skating sob, but couldn't dangle like dangle does. I also think it is a far cry (as much as I like Feds) to say he was the most dominant all around player the league will ever see. Also, in another one of your posts you mentioned dats not being able to catch up with Hoss. I think you are talking about the wrong play. I think the poster was talking about a play where Dats couldn't quite catch up to a Pens player. I remember the play well, and Dats just didn't quite have the same jump he normally has (from a top end, and getting to that top end speed) perspective. He still has the playmaking, but he clearly does not have the same speed he had before the injury.

I'd keep em together. Here is why.....The first line of Z and Dats was amazing, but the second line of Fil, Hoss, and Franzen is a load to handle as well. I don't even think about matchups defensively because too me the Pens should be the ones concerned about those two lines. Not us concerned about 2 players. It's time for the role reversal now that Pavs is back.

I have never understood it either. Folks were jumping off when we were down 2-1 to the Sux as well. I remember making a post on here with the title CALM DOWN. Or something like that, and what I don't understand is how many times have the wings (and us fans) been through this. You would think by now, folks would have learned their lesson......and just let things play out. It almost has to be new fans of the team or young kids. I would think most of us longtime fans have learned to be quiet when things are not going so well, and wait and see what happens. This is a team that should never be doubted (at least publicly) LOL.

Its time Dats.....Your team needed you today, you better play next game. It's do or die, and unless your foot falls off, you better be out there for game 5.