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I couldn't help but think of this back and forth when Schenn signed today with Phoenix for 2 years at 2.25 total (1.25 caphit). Signing him for 5mil per year would have been a MASSIVE over-payment.

So you would rather be "right" and Helm sucks, then be "wrong" and have Helm light it up this year? Way to be a fan. We all get it, you don't like Helm, but we don't have to have this debate in every active thread. Its getting Bill/Miller like.

Ca Agreed, I dont see why the false narrative of "Helm sucks" needs to be brought up in every single thread regardless of the topic being discussed. We literally have a thread for that. Ill say it again, take away E and Howards contracts, and I dont think anyone would even be talking about Helms deal in a negative way.

If your trying to tell me that Yzerman deserves to be up there, I agree 100% without even a hesitation. No dispute here. My point is that you cant use trophies as a measuring stick for guys who are not up there, when those that are up there dont even necessarily meet the criteria. Put it this way, if Yzerman did not win the Pearson, would he not be up there? Of course he would, his jersey being retired goes beyond that trophy. The same goes for a guy like datsyuk, he may not have won those 3 trophies, but he won how many selke's and for a period was considered the best overall player in the game.

That may be true with the older guys, but Yzerman never won an Art Ross or a Hart.

I really really doubt there is any chance E or Howard are dealt or him, and my previous comments were a joke, but if the Flyers were interested in either of those two I would trade either of them as Streit is a UFA at the end of the year.

Maybe its for Howard and E lol

When has this every happened other then Babs? Our best players never leave us outside of maybe Fedorov 13 years ago. Creating narratives, and saying the same thing over and over and over again in an effort to make it seem true has pretty much become the norm around here unfortunately. It's like if I thought Drew Miller was the greatest PK'er of all time (which I dont, just making a point) and I said it in every post I wrote, with the philosophy of some it would then become true.

I'm not going to defend the Quincey situation, that was definitely a black eye for the organziation, but that one player (I did forget about him). My point is more so about when guys like Nestrasil or Jensen get put on waivers and people act like its a big deal when its not.

This is a pretty good assessment of him. He played elite at times, but didnt play at that level IMO for a long enough time to be in the HHOF.

I think so, in 2004 I would say he was considered top 5. He ranked #2 centre in the regular season in points trailing only Sakic, and in the playoffs he led the league and won the Conn Smythe. In 2006 he was 5th in points (as far as centre's go) In 2010 he was ranked 5th overall in points as well (again as a centre). I'm not sure if he should be in the HHOF, but the guy was an elite player for a period of time.

I have a feeling you are in the minority here. From my understanding, Kelly never won a Hart trophy which when you think about it, is an amazing individual feat. Something even Yzerman and Lidstrom never did.

Dont forget Alfie. I guess this doesnt speak well for Vanek lol.

We haven't lost anyone of significance due to waivers. I know you have complained about Nestrasil being lost, and you always talk about Jensen possibly being put on waivers, but players like this have no value and are put on waivers every single year by every team. You can't give every young kid a chance, some just arent good enough, or are a dime a dozen. I would much rather have a Helm who you listed then a random young guy or Nestrasil. Some guys definitely are left down too long, but some guys are brought up to quickly (Jurco), hindsight is always 20/20. You take out Howard and E, and our contract situation IMO is fine. If those 2 contracts didn't exist, I don't think people would even be talking about the Helm contract.

I didn't say who plays the best in pre-season, that is a small sample size that is skewed because its AHL guys and NHL stars are half assing it. What I said was the guys who play best in pre-season AND in practice. I have a very strong feeling that during practice Jensen did not look like he belonged. There has got to be a reason why the guy is 25 and never has played an NHL game. This is a guy Blashill himself has coached and should know exactly how good he is. He just seems like he is going to be a career AHL'er or fringe NHL player (ie. Lashoff, Andersson, etc.)

It's not BS, you can say that as many times as you want. If Mantha comes out in preseason and shows he is one of the best players on the Wings in games AND in practice and does all the little things right, I believe he gets a top 6 role, Miller/Ott get waived, and Jurco becomes a healthy scratch. He plays ok, or good, then yes I think he will be sent down. Like Kickazz said, last year Larkin made the team because Datsyuk was hurt and he played well, but when Datsyuk came back the Wings had no choice then to keep him. I do believe that when all things are equal, the Wings will choose the vet, but if a kid shows he is clearly better, I believe in 2016 they will choose the kid unless we are talking a really tight roster situation which I dont think we have now given that the ramifications are waiving Miller and or Ott. If the ramifications were waiving Jurco for example, then yes I dont see them doing it either. In years past maybe things would be different, but this is a much younger team then we have ever had post dead wings era.

That is what you are literally doing, wishing injuries on players you dont want in the lineup. If Mantha and or Jurco come to camp and play amazing, I'm sure they will be in the lineup.

I got to be honest, I hate this philosophy. This is the approach the Lions have taken, and it always leads to just awful picks. If player X is way way way better then player Y, then sure take the best player. Buy if a D-man looks slightly better then a forward, and your team is stacked at D and weak at forward, you take the forward.

I actually agree with that. What I am saying is I cant see both of them playing, and what I want is neither of them playing. I do agree that Miller is likely on that 4th line for the entire season.

I cant see AA being sent down to Grand Rapids.....Mantha on the other hand is probable. I also dont see BOTH Ott & Miller playing if there are no injuries, but someone will likely get hurt in training camp. It always happens to every team. If we make no trades, I'd like to see something like: Zetterberg - Nielson - Nyquist Abby - Larkin - Vanek Jurco - AA - Tatar Sheahan - Helm - Glendening DD - Green Kronwall - Marchenko Smith - XO Healthy Scratches: Miller, Sproul, Ericsson (make him earn his way back in) Waived: Ott I would start Mantha in GR, unless he tears it up in preseason/training camp and then bring him up at the first injury of a top 6 guy. The only top 6 guy I could see us putting him in front of is Jurco and I want to give Jurco a chance to play on a line that is not the 4th with Glendening/Miller

Anderson got 5 million in TO for 5 years. I could see that being a comparable. Anderson was 22-9-7 with a 2.30 GAA and 91.9 Save %. Mrazek was 27-16-5 with a 2.33 GAA and 92.1 Save %

Its crystal clear you hate the Helm contract with your constant comments, but lets not paint Helm out to be a piece of garbage. The guy can more then handle himself on the third line. There is a reason other teams were in the running for him at the same price or higher then what we gave him. Top 6 player....no. Does he have bad hands at times....yes. Is he a good third liner.....yes he is.

Do you mean Anaheim?

One thing you are also forgetting, is you are assuming every single player on the active roster can avoid the IR, which I would say is almost impossible. There will almost always be someone who is injured.

If I were the Leafs I would definitely want Anderson over Howard, but I wouldn't say he is "much" cheaper. Anderson's caphit is 5million per year, Howard's is 5.3. Elliot is much cheaper though, but he is also a UFA in 1 year.