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Outside of the board troll, who said this? Buppy's exact words were "for what its worth", hardly an argument that +/- determines which player is better.

If you want to compare stats, we really should be comparing each player in their respective primes to the rest of the league at that time.

Ok, so you agree. I got the impression from your original post that you associated skill only with iconic status. Based on this, it sounds like you agree that there are other factors when arguing who is more iconic. Whether Sanders is the most iconic figure in Detroit's sports history or not is irrelevant to my previous argument. If I have misunderstood your stance, let me know.

Not sure why this is even relevant. The question is not the greatest of all time, the question is the most iconic of all time. Jackie Robinson is nowhere near the best MLB player of all time, but many would call him the most iconic (or one of the most iconic) of all time.

Agree with the consensus. If I am telling you my personal favourite and the player that meant the most to me, its Yzerman hands down. If we are talking the entire city of Detroit, it's Barry. I don't think Kaline or Thomas are even close.

The big change to our roster if we still had Vladdy would have been no Chelios. I read an article a few years ago written by Chelios himself where he flat out says that he was Vladdy's replacement.

That's what he said.

Ya, I read that. Some of these writers have a vision of what a team needs to do, and if a team does not follow that exact path, they will say things like "lacking vision" "directionless" etc. But hey, Arizona and Buffalo have been killing it with their torch it to the ground strategy huh. (not directed at you, its at the writer).

This is where you are wrong. You can say "most teams" or "more then not" etc. but when you try to claim that no teams have an ounce of loyalty, its just not true. Almost 30 years ago, the Oilers traded the best player in history. In 2014-16 the Wings kept signing Daniel Clearly despite him no longer being an NHL level player. Does this mean loyalty existed in 2015 but was dead in the 80's? Of course not, because like I said before, its situational and depends on the organization and player. If you are asking the question, is an organization loyal to every player on the roster? The answer is without a doubt, no. If you are asking the question, are some organizations loyal to some players? The answer is without a doubt, yes. I also want to add, signing a hometown discount is not JUST about loyalty, its about winning. If you are the best player on a team in the cap world, and you sign to a discount, in increases the probability of other players doing it. When you have multiple players doing it, it increases the odds of winning. It happens all the time.

Thomas McCollum signed with the Milwaukee Admirals http://www.milwaukeeadmirals.com/news/071718mccollum

Ya exactly, my bad if I forgot a comma. Franzen was not even close to the level of the other guys, but for some damn reason when he was hot, he looked like a adult playing with children. Too bad it only lasted a few games.

I think you are misunderstanding me. For the record, I AM NOT saying that Franzen was better then any of those guys. What I said, was that Franzen had an ability to take over games unlike anybody I have seen. That doesnt mean he's a better player. Having a super human game followed by 4 games of mediocrity does not make you a better player. To be fair, I do think Fedorov had that ability as well. I'm in my mid 30's, 1990-2005 is what I grew up on.

I don't think anyone would argue that through 82 games Franzen was elite (though in his defense, he couldn't stay healthy enough to show us one way or another. What made Franzen special is that he better then any Wing I have ever seen in my life time had an ability to absolutely take over a game. When the guy was on, you would think he was a hart candidate.

I dont think there is a right or wrong answer in this debate, I think it differs from player to player. Some play for the team who pays them the most, some play to be close to home, some play where they feel they have the best chance at winning a cup.