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Sorry, what I meant was who is more deserving then him that wasn't already in the HOF. So essentially Hextall, Vanbiesbrouck, Cujo, Potvin, Richter, Osgood, and Khabibulan in your opinion. My thoughts are this, I've always thought the bar for goalies is ridiculously high when it comes to the HOF. They let a ton of goalies in from the old days, but in modern hockey (lets say last last 30 years) its just Fuhr, Hasek, Roy, Belfour and Brodeur. There is no way only 5 goalies in 3 decades should get in when the bar is nowhere close to as high for skaters or the previous generation. http://hockeygoalies.org/awards/halloffame.html Is he the most deserving goalie of the goalies eligible? That's a fair question, probably not. I definitely think Cujo, Hextall, and Osgood are more deserving, I disagree with Potvin. As for Vanbiesbrouck, Richter, and Khabibulan, I don't know as I think I would have to do a deep dive. I think of all four of those guys in a similar tier.

Out of curiosity, who? I assume Cujo is one.

My statement wasn't saying he is or isn't a HOFer, it was responding to the notion that he was never a top 5 goalie in any particular season. He was.

In 1989 Mike Vernon was the Runner Up in Vezina Voting. https://www.hockey-reference.com/awards/voting-1989.html#all_vezina_stats

It does suck, but I'd still do it all over again. Mantha has been brutal on Washington often being a healthy scratch, so the way I look at it is we got Cossa for Mantha. IMO it went from being a steal to just a win.

Ya I remember you giving him a hard time lol

I remember him getting quite a bit of backlash when Holland was GM, but it did die down. My guess is people didnt give him a hard time because he decline was to a degree connected to that back injury he sustained. Who knows, fans are fickle.

True, but when is any roster fully healthy. There are always injuries, so I'm sure he will still get a chance.

I get it, but even in the AHL you are still paid a very good salary to play a game. As a fan though, its sad to see when players regress like this.

I googled it, here is what Google said: The distance between Fort Worth and Dallas is 30 miles. The road distance is 33.1 miles.

Thats kind of the rule of thumb.....90 point player = 9mil/year, 80 point player = 8mil/year etc. etc etc. 20 points = 2mil/year.

My bad, I thought you were a real poster.

Where did you read the GM hires and fires maintenance staff?

I would guess around 40, unless your name is Tom Brady or Chris Chelios, most players fall off a cliff at some point around there. But who knows, maybe in 10 years I will be saying "unless your name is Tom Brady, Chris Chelios, or Ovie" wouldnt shock me at all if the guys just keeps going.

I do think that when its all said and done, Ovie will go down as the best goal scorer of all time. His consistency as the top goal scorer in the league is unreal. Hope he hits it, but I do think the shutdowns will make it hard.