kliq

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    Ken Holland is a Hall of Famer

    Of course its deserved, one of the best GM's of all time. Congrats Kenny!
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    Recent Spam Attacks

    This board is definitely slower then it used to be, but we are also the worst team in the NHL after being #1 franchise for 2 decades. Once we return to being contenders, I have no doubt that people will be back.
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    Ovechkin to 1,000 Goals?

    With the season officially over, Ovie captured another Richard Trophy as he and Pastrnak both got 48 goals (though Ovie played 2 less games).
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    If Lafreniere pulls an Eric Lindros on the Wings

    It wasnt even that, he did an interview on Sportsnet and stated it was a personal issue he had with the owner of that team. Ill try to find the clip. *edit* Here it is:
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    If Lafreniere pulls an Eric Lindros on the Wings

    Lindros hated the owner.....I don’t see anyone having a problem with illitch.
  6. I think the season comes back around June, but I also think that it’s likely finished in empty arenas.
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    Goal GOAT Poll

    That is the issue, I forgot TSN video can’t be viewed in the US.
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    Goal GOAT Poll

    They discussed this very topic today on TSN. The four names they brought up, Gretzky, Lemieux, Bossey, Ovie. https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/dreger-if-nhl-returns-not-unreasonable-that-games-could-be-played-into-september~1922624/should-gretzky-be-worried-about-ovechkin-beating-his-goal-record~1824555
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    Goal GOAT Poll

    It's too bad that Bure never got a chance to have a long and healthy career. Purely based on the eyeball test, best goal scorer ever IMO. I still remember this goal when it happened, just amazing. Unfortunately, I can't rank him above Lemieux, Gretzky or Ovie as at the end of the day the stats need to back it up.
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    Goal GOAT Poll

    I am curious, Ovie is leading the poll but I don’t think anyone has justified how he is a better scorer then Mario. Can someone who voted for Ovie present that argument?
  11. Im not sure this is a given. The NBA had to suspend the season since an entire team is in quarantine with Rudy Gobert having it. As long as there are no NHL players with it, I would imagine the next step would be to play in empty arena's. Did you read something saying that the announcement is to suspend the season vs no fans in the arena?
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    Tough Guy The Bob Probert Story

    I just noticed that its available for purchase on YouTube
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    Goal GOAT Poll

    For anyone trying to claim that it wasnt easier to score in the 80's, even Gretzky himself admits it.
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    Goal GOAT Poll

    Oh boi, well this thread officially went off the rails.
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    Goal GOAT Poll

    Update, Ovie scored 2 more tonight. He's tied for the league lead.
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    Goal GOAT Poll

    His consistency is ridiculous, as it stands now (not including tonights games) he's only 2 down from Pastrnak with 45 goals. I could see him getting his 9th win this year.
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    Goal GOAT Poll

    I have zero issue with anything you are saying here, and to clarify everything I was saying was based on regular season goal scoring. Best player ever is a much easier debate, because you do bring up great points about Gretzky scoring as many goals that he did despite being a pass first guy. I guess in this debate selfishness plays a factor unfortunately. Now if we’re talking best player, hands down IMO it’s Gretzky and Ovie is not even in the conversation. Too bad Mario didn’t stay healthy during his prime, that could have been a great debate. I guess the issues with lists are that if you’re only ranking top 5 someone will be excluded. I put Bure on mine, but that was based on watching him play, obviously that is a bias as I never saw Howe play. He deserves to be in the convo though.
  18. Huh, a @frankgrimes thread. Does he even post anymore? I feel like I havent seen him in years. I did see a post on HOF forums that seemed to be him, but then he disappeared soon after.
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    Goal GOAT Poll

    Bottom line, Ovie scored more goals per game then Gretzky in a era that scoring was harder to do and he won the scoring title 3 more times then Gretzky. I think that speaks for its self. I think my stats were very fair when I broke it down as I tried to show both in an even light. You just showed Gretzky. I actually would like to see your list. Who are your top 5 goal scorers of all time? To be blunt, I dont like it either when people dismiss players of older era's. But I also dont like when its done on the other side of the spectrum. Putting the past on a pedestal while dismissing the present is just as annoying. As for the rest, I honestly dont know what you mean by me changing the topic and as for this debate getting personal? I'm not the one who came out of nowhere to tell you that you were "full of it". Greatest goal scorer of all time. If the guy was never diagnosed with leukemia he likely has the all time record.
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    Goal GOAT Poll

    Ok, you're to a degree recycling the same rhetoric over and over again, so for the most part I'm not going to address the things you are just repeating. I already told you, I'm not "blaming" Gretzky for world hockey not being as developed in his era, Im using it as a small factor when comparing 2 of the best 3 goal scorers of all time. I'm not saying that Gretzky's scoring rate would have dropped 50% if the best in the world were all playing, but maybe it drops 2% or 5% or maybe even 10%. No way of knowing, but your attitude of ignoring it all together comes off as defensive and dismissive. Its also funny how you essentially accuse me of disrespecting an era when my #1 and #3 of all time are from that era as my ranking was 1) Lemieux, 2) Ovie, 3) Gretzky. I'll give you credit with the composite stick mention, now you're getting it. That should be a factor when talking about Ovie's goal scoring. You contradict your other points by mentioning this, but I agree this is a factor and an advantage that Ovie has. If I claimed that goalies being easier to score on is a factor, but this wasn't, I'd be dishonest. Either they both are factors, or neither are factors. I will be crystal clear by saying both. You can't say that composite sticks are a factor, but smaller pads are not. As to your last point, Gretzky didn't do that. You know this though as I laid it out (unless you didn't actually read my posts which wouldn't surprise me). In GOAL SCORING, he only decimated the competition in two seasons, the rest he pretty much was right there with the pack. You talk as if he beat everyone by 30 goals every year for a decade. Here is the bottom line with you, and you have always been this way. You dont give modern players any credit, and you will never put anyone modern above anyone of significance from the past. Everything that you are accusing people of doing to players of the past, you are doing to players of the present. My guess is that this is why you refuse to do rankings as your biases will be exposed. You can lie to me all you want, but do a list of any position publicly, we all know what its going to look like. Its a trope he always uses to dismiss modern day players, teams etc
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    2020 Playoffs

    Philly and Edmonton. I've always liked Phily as they were my best friends fav team growing up. As for Edmonton, I have Draisaitl on my fantasy team, so I've been paying more attention to them. Plus, it doesnt hurt that there are quite a few former Wings on the team.
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    Goal GOAT Poll

    Bold 1: We're not talking about points, this is strictly a debate about goal scoring. I never at any point during this conversation said that Gretzky wasn't the greatest player of all time, or that he wasn't the best overall scorer (ie. Points). Bold 2: BS, you add in better goalies, better D, and better forwards as opponents and you are not going to be as dominant. Why did he lead the league in points? He was the best player in the world, you're either completely ignoring context, or you don't understand what I am saying. We were discussing Gretzky's absolute dominance in the early 80's, and I made the point that when you are not playing against the best in the world, the separation between you and the rest of the pack will be larger. Also, points will be inflated if you are going to be facing inferior goaltending and lesser caliber D-men. Bold 3: Ok, you are taking me literally. I don't mean that exactly 50% of the best players were playing oversees. In the 80's which is what I am talking about (not 90's), the best Soviet players who were considered power houses at the time were not playing in the NHL, and the influx of other European talent was not what it is now. Enough with the strawman's already, I am not saying that Gretzky was not good, how many times do I have to say he is the greatest player of all time? I am dissecting his goal scoring ability compared to Ovechkin's, and when you are comparing guys at that level, all these factors matter. Anything that favours Ovie you just dismiss, and for whatever reason you get so defensive about the 80's. A lot of posts for someone who doesn't care.
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    Goal GOAT Poll

    Look, if the conversation is best player ever, IMO there is no debate. Gretzky would be the all time points leader if he literally scored 0 goals. Guy is the G.O.A.T, no question.
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    Goal GOAT Poll

    Bold 1: You do remember that you quoted me to tell me that I was full of it, right? Not the other way around. But ok, sure you dont care. Bold 2: Again BS, stop back peddling. Maybe you didnt put a number next to their names, but its pretty clear by your quote below who you rank higher. Sorry the facts that the majority are presenting in this thread are pissing you off.