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My statement wasn't saying he is or isn't a HOFer, it was responding to the notion that he was never a top 5 goalie in any particular season. He was.

In 1989 Mike Vernon was the Runner Up in Vezina Voting. https://www.hockey-reference.com/awards/voting-1989.html#all_vezina_stats

It does suck, but I'd still do it all over again. Mantha has been brutal on Washington often being a healthy scratch, so the way I look at it is we got Cossa for Mantha. IMO it went from being a steal to just a win.

Ya I remember you giving him a hard time lol

I remember him getting quite a bit of backlash when Holland was GM, but it did die down. My guess is people didnt give him a hard time because he decline was to a degree connected to that back injury he sustained. Who knows, fans are fickle.

True, but when is any roster fully healthy. There are always injuries, so I'm sure he will still get a chance.

I get it, but even in the AHL you are still paid a very good salary to play a game. As a fan though, its sad to see when players regress like this.

I googled it, here is what Google said: The distance between Fort Worth and Dallas is 30 miles. The road distance is 33.1 miles.

My bad, I thought you were a real poster.

Where did you read the GM hires and fires maintenance staff?

I have a question that I want people to really think about. The narrative for the Leafs right now is that they are an up and coming team who have been built the right way, and are on the verge to take the NHL by storm The narrative for the Wings is an aging team with some good young players, no elite talent, who refuse to admit they need to re-build. Here is my question; If you were to swap out Z for Matthews, so in this hypothetical sceneio we have Matthews, they have Z, would we be the up and coming team about to make noise with Matthews/Larkin/Mantha/AA leading the charge, or would TO still have a better future then us. They are obviously in a better cap situation then us there is no denying that, but I want to know if people think that their bright future is truly because of the way the franchise has been built, or if it really is as simply as they got Matthews. This isn't a thread designed to praise or criticize Holland, its asking the question of how much impact does that one elite and possibly generational player make. Thoughts?

http://www.tsn.ca/report-eichel-won-t-re-up-if-bylsma-remains-coach-1.728316 Wow!

Where did the disney.com moniker come from?

Ill be honest, I dont know much about his draft record in Tampa. As for this pick, I was just read Bob Mackenzie's rankings and he had Edvinsson 3rd, so its not like its some kind of reach. https://www.tsn.ca/bob-mckenzie-s-2021-final-draft-rankings-1.1669727 *edit* I didn't realize you guys already discussed this lol.

I like the pick. We needed a 1st pairing LD, and after the Seider pick a few years ago, I have faith in Yzermans ability to pick a high end D-man. Also, he was ranked 5th, and we took him 6th, so its not like its some kind of reach.

Man f*** that guy. Second time he has taken a cheap shot to a Wings captain, pretty sure he gave Zetterberg a concussion with a punch to the back of the head years ago. Hopefully the league actually does something this time.

Ok I get it now, you're trolling. Cool.

Ya, winning the lottery and Zadina turning out well are the exact same odds. I'm not sure sure why I'm surprised to hear more hyperbole from you, honestly I dont care, root for him to suck.

Everything except the bold I get. The bold is what surprises me, why wouldnt you want him to break out and become a stud winger? I'm not saying he will, but when you are a fan of a team you should hope that every player hits their ceiling.

If it was me and I was arguing that a Wing was going to be a bust, my mindset would be that I hope I'm wrong. To each their own.

I didnt put any words in your mouth, your exact words were: You are flat our saying that you look forward to Zadina being a bust. Sorry, but I find it odd that a Wings fan would "look forward" to that.

Where is that being reported? I don’t see it anywhere.

I agree with all of this, but I also want to add that I think Yzerman also shipped him out because Mantha wasnt exactly setting the best example for the young kids when it came to work ethic. On Washington he will be a a secondary role where there will be few eyes on him, and with guys like Ovie running the show and them being contenders, I have to imagine he puts in more effort. Here when it really didnt matter and he was supposed to be a cornerstone with Larkin, not the best spot for him. Win-Win.

First off, I never said or insinuated that Zadina was even in the same stratosphere as McDavid. So lets just move on from that. As far as you wanting Hughes or Dobson, I get that, I find nothing wrong with that statement. We had a glaring need on D, and instead we took BPA. My issue with your statement was this: This statement is pure hyperbole, plain and simple. Zadina was the BPA based on almost all draft rankings which I proved above. As far as you looking forward to Zadina not improving 3 years from now, I find that sad. You would rather our #3 prospect turn out to be a bust so you can use that to mock strangers on a message board, rather than hope he proves you wrong and becomes a star winger. To each their own man, but are you even a Wings fan?