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Do you even watch the games? From what I have seen Daley has been a good addition this year, and appears to be a great 2nd pairing guy. Most others on here are happy with him, and there was an article today in the FREEP talking about how he has helped us. https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2017/12/20/detroit-red-wings-trevor-daley-very-easy-play/969077001/ This is the point I was trying to make in the post above, you are making our players sound worse then they are, so your mediocre players that you want to bring in look like giant upgrades. But its not true.

Your way won't win cups, your way will land us in cap trouble with more mediocre players. You sound like you think change automatically means we will be better. Getting rid of mediocre player A and getting mediocre player B is a lateral move. You way will just lead to nothing. I want us to shed cap, sign elite players, or trade for a potentially elite player (ie. Trouba/Hamilton etc.). I dont want more Daley's or Abby's or Helms like you are proposing. I see what you are doing, you are saying things like "Ericsson never made it, Daley is toast, Oullett and Jensen are at best 3rd line guys" in an attempt to make guys like Carlson, De Haan and Cole seem much better then they are. Guys like that are fine to add to a team, but if you dont have elite talent above them, they wont make a difference. Again, why do you keep saying "lets LTIR Kronwall", I dont think you know how that works. I remember last year you were criticizing Holland for not using LTIR when it was a situation that he couldn't and @Buppy tried to explain it to you. Here is how it works, for a player to be put on LTIR, a doctor needs to determine that he CANNOT play anymore due to injury (ie. Franzen). Kronwall is playing with I believe essentially no cartlidge in his knee. This is the kind of injury where if the player can tolerate the pain, the player is allowed to play. The GM cannot TELL Kronwall they are going to LTIR him, that is not allowed, it MUST come from the doctor. Not to mention, LTIR is ONLY used when you exceed the cap ceiling and have a guy on IR. If you are under the cap, LTIR is not a thing.

Come on guys! Lets capitalize on this PP! *edit* nevermind

You're trying too hard to fix this team overnight. We don't need to add pieces next year unless they are "major" pieces. No more signing middle tier type players. Buying out E, whats the point? We dont need cap space right now, we will need it in 2-3 years. We have tons of very good 2nd/3rd line talent, there is no need for more. Bottom line, we need elite guys. Whether we acquire them through the draft or via UFA (ie. JT, Karlson, OEL, Doughty etc.) that is what we need to do. Rather then overpaying more middle of the road guys, I'd rather just play the kids. Now if we acquire a game changer, I will change my tune.

E with the fancy footwork lol

I don't agree, but I do sometimes wonder how bias we are being fans of the Wings. There is definitely a correlation in that when your team is good "everyone is awesome", when you team is bad "everyone sucks".

Goose!!!!

Come on man, I get you are down on the team, but no need to be over the top. 29 points in 34 games is nowhere near "average". And your comment is not even present tense.

The Green move I agree with, trade him. Tatar I am on the fence about, I wouldnt be upset, but I dont want to trade him either. I like both him an Nyquist, but I see the argument that both shouldn't be here. #3 - You can't just "LTIR" someone. If Kronwall wants to play, and docs say he can play, there is nothing Holland or whomever the GM is can do. #4 - Bad move. We are not winning the Cup next year, so why handcuff ourselves for double the length of the contract with a buyout. The only way I buyout E is if we can sign JT. I would rather trade him and retain as much salary as we can. I dont know much about De Haan so I won't comment, and I would say stay away from Carlson. If we sign him he will become the next DD. I am not sold that he is a legit #1. He may look it playing on Washington with all that talent, but on Detroit he will likely be exposed. I like the call-ups, but I would add Hicketts. If we need to trade Jensen or XO so be it.

He is leading our team lol

I dont think many are anti Mrazek, I think its more of a response to the over the top pro Mrazek fans. At least that is my take.

I cant say I like this, and Blashill is definitely not the coach I want for this team, but this is a conman strategy for young kids when they are struggling. Babs did the exact same thing to Marner earlier this season.

This is not going to be good for my fantasy team!

I really do think when it comes to Mrazek, people are blinded by the flashiness.

Not going to argue that we have a good coach, but please let me know how Blashill's coaching strategies have been the reason for Mrazek's decline? What's actually funny about this, is that Blashill was Mrazek's coach in the AHL where Mrazek thrived. I get it if you are talking forwards, as coaches have a lot of power over them whether its line-mates, PP time, minutes etc. A goalie gets a starts, he plays bad then that's on him. The ONLY argument you could make is MAYBE that the team has such an offensive style that the goalie is paying for it, but if that was the case Howard wouldn't be playing better, and lets face it, we are not an offensive first team. Outside of being flashy two years ago, what he has done to prove he is a number 1 guy? The only thing I cant think of is that some people are enamored/blinded by his athleticism/flashiness.

Re-Read what I wrote, I didn't say anything about insurance (ie. in case there is an injury). What i said, is if a team that is a contender loses their starting goalie come trade deadline time, with Jimmy being on an expiring contract I could see them getting a 2nd or more. I stand by that. Other teams don't have irrational hate towards Jimmy that you do. Imagine a year from now a team like LA loses Quick. Do you really think they are going to go with Darcy Kuemper? Or if the Leafs lose Andersson, that they would go with Curtis McElhinney? Of course not, and there are not going to be many starting goaltenders on expiring contracts available. I admit that this is not likely, but I never insinuated that. Also, you know I was talking next year right? I dont think that about this year.

In Jimmy's first year as starter his competition was a Chris Osgood who was at the tail end of his career and putting up bad numbers. In 2011 Howard's competition was Joey MacDonald, in 2012 it was Ty Conklin. It's apples and oranges, had we had a vet goaltender at that time who was out playing Jimmy, I'm sure that Jimmy' would have been on a shorter leash. Also, it was a different coach, you really can't compare the situations. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Jimmy and Mrazek have been treated the exact same, they haven't. Why have they not been treated the same, IMO it's due to a variety of reasons, ranging from the coach, their attitude, the state of team, the competition, etc. Its not as simple as you attempt to make it seem. You sound as if you have blind hate for Jimmy, and blind love for Mrazek. I have said this before, but I want Mrazek to turn it around, unfortunately all signs point against that. What I dont get about you, is you seem to cheer for Jimmy to fail. I just don't get that mentality. I do wish Mrazek got a few more starts, but when he does get starts, its on him to impress. My issue is the entitlement that you and some other seems to have on behalf of Mrazek. He's not "owed" anything.

We coddle each other Cady.

We all know who that "one poster" is lol. I dont know when it became a thing for management/coaching to coddle goalies.

I've always thought this. A GM makes the moves, but ownership decides the overall direction. With that being said, I would love us to trade Green to the Leafs for a 1st. Just imagine we do that, then they hit a slump and nose dive and not make the playoffs. The thought of getting a Dhalin for Green would make me so happy lol.

And full circle back to Ben Stiller

100% agree with the perception part, but perception and reality of are two different things. I was talking more the reality.

Well it depends on what your perception of Mrazek is. IF you believe he has elite potential, being only 25 years old you keep him. IF you feel he is what he is, then you trade him for a second in a heart beat. (this is what I would do) Agreed Jimmy won't get a 2nd now, but a year from now when he is on an expiring contract IF a contender loses their goalie, I think you could get that and more. That's a big IF though.

Even the "elite" Dylan Larkin?

I guess supply/demand is always a factor, so I can see that. IF we have given up on him, and get offered a 2nd, I say take it.