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At least give him a shot. With all these injuries it's not like we're going to win anyways. He is supposed to be our go to offensive D man one day. I guess Babs sees something in Kindl nobody else does. While having a bad year Kindl hasn't really been demoted of anything

Wings have a brutal record when scoring the first goal. I'm surprised how many times they've gotten the first goal of the game though

wings need to blow a lead even though they had no chance of winning. It's just what they do

What does Babs have against giving Smith PP time? Because he kills penalties and gets a lot of ice time? PP time is easy minutes. Kindl gets a lot of easy minutes seems like

A win would keep me happy for a while. Bert on the fourth? Babs must not be too happy with him. Everyone wanted to see the kids play and now you've got it Not this year. He's still in the juniors. We'll get to see him in red and white for the world juniors soon though. Pretty excited

I'd blame Babcock for that. Holland drafted and developed these young guys everybody loves. Babs is the one who decides the lineup and line combos. I don't think this lineup when healthy has any holes in the forward department. Defense on the other hand is an issue but the future looks bright. These are rebuilding times. I wonder what would happen here if the wings tanked to get draft picks like some of you had wanted

I think our top 6 would score a lot more goals if they had more tenacity in front of the net. I'm watching this pens game and they are always on the doorstep for rebounds and always out working people in front of the net

Nah I'm a big Franzen lover I was half kidding. He just has this aura of a big whimp

Yes you're right, just frustrated with these injuries and it's such a Franzen thing to. Guess we'll see on 24/7

I would like to see Jarnkrok. We are having a serious center shortage Franzen's glove to the face didn't look very bad at all. I bet he was just all pissy after the call was made because he was ready to keep playing then after the call was made he headed to the locked room. Now we have to go through all the protocol due to his ego when we need him in the worst way

This team was playing it's best hockey just a few weeks ago. You've seen how good they can play so why get all hot and bothered with Holland. This isn't the team he built. Not even close. What to take away from this as positive is that we've seen how much better and effective guys like Drew Miller and Patrick Eaves are than Cleary and Sammy. Once everybody is healthy they won't be in the lineup

He sounds wasted. I'm from Vancouver and their hockey fans are mostly clueless idiots. This reminds me of the guy that fought Shia Labeouf outside a club. Just looking for his 15 minutes of fame

Expecting Holland to be fired is ridiculous. This team is rebuilding. People don't notice what Holland has done these past few years. These vets are stop gap guys. Holland didn't have the leverage so some of these guys got overpaid. Wings have lots of promising prospects compared to just a few years ago they didn't. Things were a lot more doom and gloom back then. The Defense is almost entirely rebuilt in the last 3 years. Steady as she goes First person to get fired would be Babcock IMO and that isn't happening anytime soon. We've seen how good this team can play when healthy that alone makes me optimistic as long as we are making the playoffs I'm happy

Wings young guys are playing more than they ever have and people are still blaming Holland and the vets. This is what everyone was asking for. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with this team aside from being injury prone. What I'm seeing every night is a team playing a good team game with effort but that lacks any fire power. That could have something to do with not having Zetterberg, Helm, Abdelkader, Dekeseyer and losing Franzen halfway through the game. Yes, the team is probably feeling deflated. It would be hard not to when you see all your best teammates going down. We all know the difference Helm makes to this team. Dekeseyer we've been without for a while now and we're probably forgetting how important he is to this Defense. Zetterberg goes without saying. He is the heart and soul of this team.

Don't forget injuries have been ridiculous. That may have a little something to do with it. There's nothing wrong with the core of this team just all the talent isn't playing right now Babs should be able to figure out how to net a goal or two here and there though

Today's game will be nice to hear what Franzen said to the refs to get the unsportsmanlike

I blame Babcock, not Jurco. I don't blame Jurco at all. He played well for his first NHL game. I'm just sick of this team losing games the same way every night. I have to believe there is a line combination in this lineup that can score a goal.

True but nevertheless would be awesome

I would prefer Nyquist, Tatar, Bertuzzi or Eaves. If Jurco was good enough for the first line wouldn't he be better on the 3rd. Jurco was fine for his first NHL game but we need goals. Having a kid playing his first NHL game is not going to get us more goals I guarantee Babs logic is that he thought Datsyuk would be able to cover for him and then the rest of our lines would have more depth and it worked for the most part but Datsyuk should be scoring because he's our best offensive player in the lineup. I'm not even that mad about it. I just wish Babs would try things to get more scoring. Having one line get hot and carry us out of this slump. Load up on the top line try to win some games

Well our first line was not good. It needs to be good to win games.

No that's just wrong. Eaves was one of our better forwards and had some good scoring chances as did miller, Andersson, Tatar and Nyquist. I think our top line had one or two good scoring chances both by Alfie from a Datsyuk pass

Because he can't score at an NHL level

Jurco looked like a minor leaguer not bad for his first game but why on earth would you keep him on our top line for the whole game when we need to score. 2nd pp unit is just pitiful to watch every game even when we didn't have injuries. Kindl is the dan Cleary of the Defense. Babs coaching choices make no sense. Kindl hasn't made a good offensive play in weeks. Smith is our only defensemen that appears to have any offensive instincts yet he doesn't see a second of pp time. He'd rather have a random forward on the point

I don't understand Babs coaching choices at all

Babs is clueless these line are ridiculous