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Man these RFAs are so spoiled these days. Just take the godam money and make a name for yourselves you fools. And holy s*** PVD , 4:30 am long post

AA is an idiot if he's honestly going to use KHL as a reason why he deserves more rather than NHL comparables. He already has 2013/14 48 points in 45 games (Nyquist/Datsyuk and Abdelkader) 2014/15 66 points in 77 games (Nyquist and Abdelkader) 2016/17 68 points in 82 games. (Mantha and Tatar)

I'm not so sure. Larkin plays with Zetterberg year one and does well. Plays without Zetterberg year 2 and doesn't do well. The few games Mantha played without Z, he wasn't doing well. If they help Z, it's very little compared to how much he helps them. This team is screwed once he's gone. Maybe even moreso than when Datsyuk left. Datsyuk was a one man army, Zetterberg is the commander that Nyquist, Tatar, Mantha, Larkin, Abdelkader all looked good with.

Someting something something Ken Holland something something something Dark Side. No.

House Holland vs The King in the North Meanwhile we are White Walkers. Just terrible people who want to watch House Holland burn. Muahahah Riley Sheahan is Theon Greyjoy post Ramsey mutliation.

Ken Holland? I haven't bought season tickets yet, probably wont.

The forum is no longer about the Red Wings. It's about Kenneth Holland. Now seriously someone answer my question. What's the scoop? Was Babcock invited to Lady Holland's wedding?!?!

Some tickets were already available months ago on stubhub for cheaper

Amazing! Another Ken Holland thread. Since we're on the topic. Did Ken Holland's daughter get married? Was Mike Babcock invited? Or did Holland say "NO YOU TRAITOR GO ROT IN TORONTO"

Beats Sheahan style. No skill and non-physical Canadian

Nyquist at this point could probably get us a top D prospect.

It's both.

Ah yes we have a guy here who wants to pay Tatar $5 million + for "excitement level and energy" Same guy that complains about Holland irrational favoring of vets. Lmfao.

Scored the second highest points on our team last year after Zetterberg. With only 76 games played unlike Tatar or Neilsen who both played all 82 games. If Nyquist isn't "that good" then everyone else below him on that stat sheet is trash. Talking out of ass to the next level. Nyquist is actually one of our best 5 on 5 players. The reason his "goals" have dipped is because our PP sucks and so does our PP coaching. But even strength wise he's really good. People are dumb enough to actually use his 13/14 season as a benchmark. That season was one of the most flukiest things in NHL and near impossible to achieve for anyone. If you look at a larger sample size excluding that outlier of a season.. This was at the midway point of last season: "Nyquist has actually increased his 5v5 points/60 from last season and is now a full 0.70 points/60 higher than his 2014-2015 season. Looking at the league leaderboard, Nyquist is 44th in 5v5 points/60, tied with Auston Matthews among all forwards with >250 minutes played at 5v5" Season 5v5 TOI/GP 5v5 Goals/60 5v5 Assists/60 5v5 Points/60 2014-2015 12:27 0.65 0.82 1.47 2015-2016 11:27 0.51 1.28 1.79 2016-2017 12:51 0.67 1.50 2.17 "Nyquist is averaging 1.90 5v5 points/60 which is 66th among NHL forwards with >500 minutes played over the past season and a half. That's the best mark of any player on Detroit (>500 minutes played)." Player Games Played 5v5 Points/60 minutes Gustav Nyquist 110 1.90 Dylan Larkin 108 1.86 Tomas Tatar 109 1.62 Darren Helm 94 1.40 Henrik Zetterberg 110 1.37 Justin Abdelkader 104 1.35 Pavel Datsyuk 66 1.34 Luke Glendening 109 1.14 Riley Sheahan 109 1.13 Brad Richards 68 0.84 https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2016/12/12/13911624/defending-gustav-nyquist-again So yeah you keep Nyquist. It would be stupid not to seeing as how he's one of our best producers.

Except he's not a third line Winger so the rest of your post is pointless to read. Moving on..

Natural process as in they sucked and tried not to suck but inevitably sucked anyways (just like we are currently). They even got Lapointe to boost their squad if you remember. They didn't ACTIVELY tank. Tanking =/= sucking There's 14 teams that don't make the playoffs and are lottery eligible. 14 teams don't tank per year. 14 teams just happen to not be good enough to make it. Except he's not trying to get later picks, he's going with the flow and if things don't work he sells. We were supposed to pick #6 or whatever but because of the lottery we ended up at #9. That's the NHL for you. And if you're talking about the Mantha pick and Larkin pick. We were still a contender back then and D and Z were still top 10 (arguably even top 5) league players (and well above a PPG players). You don't tank when you have the two best defensive forwards in the league on your team still in the tail end of their primes (age 32 and 33). Your arguments are so weak Dickie, it's almost a headache to keep dealing with your broken record s***. And that's really saying something because as we all know, I love to argue because I got the "always gotta be right complex" Second bold point - Mantha, Larkin, AA, Jensen, Oullette were all main roster players. Svech, Bertuzzi, Sproul and Russo all played games as well. Tatar and Nyquist have been on the team for almost 4 years now. So what's your point? Larkin started playing in this first year as a pro. Mantha in his 2nd year as a pro. What's the issue?

Well, I guess compared to the old Wings standard they do.

HAHAahah bait level on par with Bill Berzeench. Love it.

The Red Wings fan base thinks Ericsson is bad. The Red Wings themselves do not. I thought you knew this.

Except it was good when it was done

Right but my point is doing bad 1-2 seasons doesn't necessarily mean you'll get the top 3 pick. And suddently 1-2 years can turn into 5 years. As kliq pointed out Toronto also had some major injuries that year. Plus the point I made about the bottom teams also having high parity. It's almost a competition to end up in the bottom 3 or even bottom 5 just like it is in the top 3 or top 5. Parity + Lottery = NHL making it virtually impossible for 1-2 year tank job to work without luck. See Carolina, New Jersey, Buffalo, Arizona etc.

That's fine but his point is you do it in every thread 6 times a day and it's cancer. The type of cancer that causes the forum to die out. Same s*** happened to hockeyfights.com, even HFboards to an extent.

I think Holland is doing good drafting actually. Really good. What sucks is the contracts he gave out to Nielsen, Helm, etc in the last 2 years-ish.

People aren't taking this situation as bad as Datsyuk's though.

I do. But it took them a long time. Almost a decade of sucking just like it did with Toronto and Edmonton. They "won" the lottery in 1999 by moving from 8th to 4th pick and that still didn't help them. Almost 10 years later they finally made it a legit run into the playoffs. Which is my point, no amount of "Active" tanking guarantees anything besides probably hurting the team revenue. You're acting like Holland can actually rebuild right away or something. He can't. It would be a long term process. And he'd rather take the route of acquiring picks etc. Your strategy isn't any better. It's actually worse from an owners perspective.