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Cherry picked article. Glad CRL dragged you back in. Time to have some fun again. Rest of the article states the following: In Athanasiou’s first two NHL seasons, his shooting percentages were 17 and 15, but that dropped to 9.4 in 2017-18 as he registered 16 goals. It’s fair to say that over a full season he should be at least a 20-goal scorer with the possibility for more. Remember, too, that the 23-year-old missed training camp and the first 10 games in 2017 due to a contract dispute and that often leads to an underwhelming season. Now he’s locked in with a two-year, $6 million deal so should get off to a better start. On top of that, only three of his 33 points came on the power play despite averaging 1:44 PP minutes per game, so there could be an uptick there as well. The crux of Athanasiou’s breakout candidacy is in how much ice time the Red Wings (or an acquiring team) give him. If his goals come up as expected, can his assists and ice time rise to a level that allows him to have a true breakout PLAYER 5on5 Points/60 Average TOI/game Dylan Larkin 2.27 19:51 Anthony Mantha 1.88 17:18 Andreas Athanasiou 1.81 15:19 Martin Frk 1.69 10:17 Henrik Zetterberg 1.65 19:30 Gustav Nyquist 1.59 17:51 Look at that AA better than Nyquist on 5 on 5. @Neomaxizoomdweebie Inaccurate, your boy thinks AA is unwilling to be coached. That's a pretty hefty accusation for an NHL player. Not the same as "things to work on"

Because AA is only had two real years..? Thought that was obvious. He did better his first year and second year slumped, just like Larkin did. Larkin did much worse than AA. And your quote to AA's numbers in his second year was the following. By deduction you would agree that both Larkin and Franzen's numbers in their 2nd year was "not very good. Plain and simple"? Unless you have bias against AA and are willing to make exceptions for Franzen and Larkin. And since Larkin and Franzen eventually got better; by deduction one would assume AA can also get better. Hence why I think it's too early to call a player out based on his numbers (like you did) when there is a good probability that player gets better. Do you think he's unwilling to be coached?

Exactly

Exactly

That’s two people now who have directly undermined Mabus since his post.

Canada is already a part of us. Just haven’t given you official statehood yet. I’m one of the few that generously says “51st state”.

And it’s actually Karlsson that’s making the posts

His numbers are being labeled as “not very good” and used as a way to criticize him. Yet when certain players like Franzén or Larkin had worse numbers in their second NHL, not a peep. Data indicates AA had a similar sophomore year as most any recent Red Wing player, maybe slightly better actually. Which makes me not want to jump the gun on him yet. No made up narrative. It’s all written here.

And this here is the post admitting defeat. AA has a better start to his career than Franzen did. Franzen played on the better team.

This post actually doesn't address my biggest point which was comparing Larkin's second season to AA, the season he had worse production and was -28. Instead, all it does is ignore the comparison and poses a Red Herring. And my premise was that t's still premature to turn on AA with 2 real seasons under his belt. People have turned on AA as I've shown with my specific post earlier. Claiming that a player is unwilling to be coached as if it's factual is reaching. See the quote below. Lemme show you some interesting numbers. Look at the age, points per game played and the ice time. You may recognize these stats personally. I know @LeftWinger would. I wonder who guesses the right answer first between you two. Whoever this player was, he was probably going to be trash after that second season man. Ughhh.

In 71 games. About the same rate as Nyquist. Also a better rate than Larkin in his 2nd season. Who scored 32 in 80 games. Who was also a -28. (Holy s*** that’s terrible). You’re* move. There is literally no statistical baseline to turn on AA like some of you have. It’s premature, like it or not. If he sucks after enough games, I’ll join the party. Until then he’s a whipping boy to feed everyone’s insecurities. Veleno and Rasmussen are on deck for it.

If you’re reality is backed without evidence and stats then by all means.

And there goes the soft tone, back to premature s*** talking.

Someone pulled the Franzen trigger on you and you went off on AA. Saying that he’ll never be even at Franzen’s 2010 level. Before that Neo responded to Buppy’s question about why everyone is turning on AA already, to which Neo accused AA of unwilling to be coached as if he has the ins and outs of AA’s life. I have seen absolutely zero evidence that AA is unwilling to be coached or learn. With Mrazek there were reports that came out directly about some of the issues he was having with the team and he admitted them in interviews as well. With AA there are zero, zero quotes from him or coaches that he is unwilling to be coached or has issues with the team.

You already did start s***ting on him. You’re just taking a softer tone now because I shat on people who were already s***ting on him prematurely.

So many things were addressed. 0. Larkin 1. AA ... ... ... 99. Nyquist 100. Tatar ... ... ... 171. Datsyuk 210. Zetterberg

I bet Zadina’s nickname ends up being Dino.

I bet Veleno will be better than Toews but will go unrecognized

Larkin becomes captain in 2021 and not a second before.

Agreed with most people here. Some people really took those political discussion too far. This is a hockey thread. Keep it that way. Thanks.

How you feeling about AA’s performance/ progression btw

Those are the key words here. "What we always wanted". At this point, I'd rather him be an offensive dynamo. Because our offense is just as terrible, if not worse than our defense (I know a lot of people still think the defense is biggest issue, but that's actually not true anymore since the departure of Datsyuk and the decline of Zetterberg and Kronwall; we have one of the worst offense in the league. And for all the names we've drafted we have actually have zero results to show for it. I also disagree about his playmaking and scoring in the cycle. He gets breakaways, but he has shown great hockey IQ with those things. But he isn't consistent about it. And consistency comes with experience. He's had about 2 seasons in the NHL and this past season was the first time he actually got legitimate minutes. Which also goes to my other point, his minutes are just fine for his experience. The AA situation isn't as bad as it's being made out to be. Not everyone is a Dylan Larkin and breaks out their 1st year. Also going to restate the fact that the AA vs. Nyquist debate actually favors AA. Nyquist is 29 and no longer has an upside (he's not getting any better) and AA can only get better at this point in his career. They both had similar results end of the season in terms of production but with Nyquist having the superior elite playmaker and the teams best goal scorer on his line.

No the vast majority of the voters, knowingly voted for a guy that's a racist bigot which makes them promoters of racism and hate. You represent who you vote.

Before he dropped out to work with on his dad's farm and marry his cousin.

Wow. That. Is. Not. Okay. To use as a source.