DickieDunn

11:44 doesn't sound line second line minutes

thought he was going to be on their top line?

If used properly, they'll be out there maybe 8 minutes ES a game, go in, forecheck, stir things up, get off before you f things up. Oif course, as I've said several times, the checking line should be Sheahan-Helm-Glendening with Mantha and AA with one of Tatar, Nyquist, Vanek, or Abdelkader as the 3rd line.

Putting too much emphasis on corsi isn't going to prove much of anything. Also, I didn't say they were a shut down line, just an OK 4th line

One game doesn't prove much, and it's up to the coach to use them properly. The biggest issue with Glendening and whoever he plays with, is Trashill's insistence that they're the new Grind Line and are just as capable of playing at a fairly high level as Draper & Co. could.

Because you say so?

Yeah you can't compare teams before the cap to modern teams. There's no way a team now would be able to have enough players better than those 3 to make them the 4th line, unless they had three rookies making peanuts on scoring lines. Even then they wouldn't stay together long. Miller-Glendening-Ott isn't a terrible 4th line. I might prefer Bertuzzi on one of the wings instead, but like I've said before, with what they have and where they are as a team, it should be Helm, Sheahan, and Glendening, with AA and Mantha on the 3rd line. Right now, I don't care if Mantha's "earned" it, sometimes the best way to help a kid improve is play him and give him some confidence. This isn't a Cup contender where dealing with a rookie's growing pains is going to be a deal breaker, it's a rebuilding team and keeping Mantha in GR for even a half season is stupid.

Can we make it wider? Now long posts take up a ton of screen. Also, on tapatalk I'm Seeing all the html codes, and the paragraphs just run together

Pulk and Frk will both be regular healthy scratches for their new teams by the end of December. Some people wil still complain about losing them. Smith will be one of the Wings' best defensemen. This will not be a good thing. Austin Mathews will run away with the Calder and the Leafs will still suck.

But are Frk and Pulk really better as reserves than Miller and Ott? They're certainly not cheaper, at least not enough to make any kind of difference. And in a reserve forward, if have a vet who can come in and play smart hockey and not hurt you, that's decent value. Pulkkinen and Frk really need to be playing on a scoring line to have any value at all, plugging one of them on the 4th line when someone else is hurt isn't really going to do much positive.

The only way Miller and/or Ott don't play is if Helm and/or Sheahan play on the 4th line. Sheahan shouldn't and Helm makes too much, playing him there will make Holland look worse than he does now.

He only owns the Wings and Tigers. The Ford's own the Lions and I can't remember who owns the Pistons. Tom Gores maybe? Not the Illitch family though.

Millsie and Otter are reelgud Babs would play them so I am too.

Kindl was moved at the deadline to a team that really needed a defenseman. Apples and oranges. And do you REALLY believe that Holland is lying, and that he didn't try to trade them? I've been as anti-Holland as anyone, I can't believe that. m The fact is Pulk and Frk have limited upside and virtually no value, but because they were Red Wings prospects, fans view them as better than similar players in other organizations. It's like a mom with an ugly baby who doesn't realize it's an ugly baby, because it's HER baby.

It does, just not with Frk or Pulk

I'm having an issue with tapatalk. The html codes are showing up, so a paragraph break looks like <b></b>this and it's all run together. The other forums don't, so I don't think it's on my end.

Pulkkinen ws banished to that line too. Had Frk made the rsoter, that's likely where he'd have played, because Helm has to play a scoring line role to justify that contract.

After the first 15-20 picks, depending on the depth of each draft, the odds of getting a good player drop quickly. Someone over at RWC kept going on about how Sheahan was a bust if he was only a third line center, so I looked and getting a third line center at 21 overall was actually pretty decent. After the mid point of the second riund, you have about a 10-12% chance of getting an NHL player, and that includes guys like Miller, much less a 20-25 goal scorer or a top 4 D. In other words, the Wings not getting good players in round a 2-4 is pretty typical league wide.

I'm pretty anti-Holland lately, but I doubt he waived these guys without trying to trade them. They just had no trade value.

The issue isn't that they waived two guys who probably won't play 200 NHL games in their careers, it's that they're not making sure their two best forward prospects are int he lineup, and they keep putting skilled wingers with Glendening and telling them to play risk free hockey. The top 3 lines should have Zetterberg, Larkin, Nielsen, Nyquist, Tatar, Vanek, AA, and Mantha, with one of Abdelkader, Sheahan, or Helm. The other two should be on the checking line with Glendening. Then they'd have a line that's capable of the role Trashill wants. What they shouldn't ever do is put a guy with some skill like Jurco, Pulk, or Frk with Miller and Glendening and tell him to forget how they've played their entire lives, play simple safe hockey just like Miller and Glendening do, then wonder why they're not effective and aren't scoring goals.

Yes, they wouldn't HAVE given up a 7th, because he didn't have enough value to trade an asset, and they obviously didn't think enough of him to want him unless they could have him for free.

Put Helm on the 4th line, set Ott as a reserve, and put Frk on the 3rd line. Frk playing with Glendening and Miller would be as effective as Jurco or Pilkkinen there, square peg in a round hole.

It was to keep Helm from playing on the 4th line where he belongs, not to keep Miller and Ott. It was also because he's unlikely to be an NHL player for very long.

AA and Mantha weren't fighting Ott and Miller for jobs. If Trashill wanted to, he could easily keep them both, use Miller and Ott as reserves (or waive one or both) and use Sheahan-Helm-Glendening as the checking line. At least then he'd have a line more capable of playing the role he seems to want that line to play. Then he could either mix the kids in or use Mantha and AA with one of Abdelkader, Vanek, Tatar, or Nyquist.

Captain Intangible! !! Gotta justify that contract somehow