shocky2002

Can't wait to give up Tatar for an aging trash d-man who's "tough"

can't be a generational talent when you never sniffed the top 3 at your own position. Yzerman was sort of like hockey's own Drew Brees in a league with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady

Just rest Zetterberg on every 2nd night of B2B's.

If you won't put 13/40 up because they never did anything of significance without Lidstrom, then let's take Yzerman's jersey off the rafters. Dude was a playoff choke artist before Feds and Lidstrom reached their primes. He was also the 3rd wheel for all 3 cups. If you're only putting up generational talents, then only Lidstrom and Howe belong in there. Yzerman is not one.

an antiquated way of thinking, but one that fits the mold of the Red Wings franchise imo. They're one of the least progressive hockey teams in the modern era.

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Giving the captaincy early worked out just fine for Sidney Crosby, Toews, Stamkos tbh. If Larkin takes another step and the Wings lose in round1/miss the playoffs, Zetterberg should be stripped of captaincy immediately IMO

Everyone but Osgood.

Majority of Hawks fans don't like it. Majority of Wings fans liked the Ott signing. I wonder why anyways Chicago has been making some pretty poor moves this offseason aside from Brian Campbell for 2M. They were an average puck possession team in 2016 (LOL at the old heads who thought their experience meant anything),and they won't be much better in 2017.

Horrendous post. Step your game up, seriously. Are you 12 years old? Lots of RW fans defend Holland all the time, cite his rings, etc. Jesus Christ.

Im talking about what move Kenny would have to make for his supporters to finally turn on him.

Fedorov is the goat talent but it doesn't make sense to compare him with Datsyuk and use stats without accounting for linemates, goal scoring rate in that era, and TOI imo.

I didn't brng up anything about Howe you genius. Some troll brought it up out of left field to flame me. I'm obligated to defend my opinion even though it has nothing to do with Ott

Wrong. Zetterberg would destroy that era with his speed and skill while using their big wooden sticks and s***ty skates. Stop being dumb. My criteria was on-ice ability. Not legacy or accomplishments. On-ice ability is heavily dominated by skill competitions like skating, shot accuracy/velocity and puck handling. All of which Henrik Zetterberg in his prime excels at. Stop being wrong. Then don't post stupid s*** like how Gordie led a 6 team league in scoring in his era. it's trivial garbage

My point is, put Zetterberg in the same rink as Howe, he would literally dance around him without sweat. Obviously, we also have to consider that he has evolutionary advantages over players from 50 years ago.

Should I PM you before making a post next time to ask if it's appropriate? Gtfooh.

I'm measuring in terms of pure on-ice ability. Players before the 70's don't have the speed and skill to compare with post-80's players. Not necessarily their fault, as they're held back by nutrition, training and equipment setbacks. Your argument is pretty poor, IMO. His records leading the league in goals and hart trophy don't really mean much when the league had 6 teams at the time and only a handful of players. He really wouldn't make the roster for the '16 Wings.

No, it's a response to those on twitter, on the forums who are spouting off "GOAT" even though they never saw footage of his play. I don't even know why this is being discussed. You people are trolling, IMO.

Nah, there's plenty on HFboards who admit Howe is no Steve Yzerman.

Not really a bait when it's a pretty common opinion to have.

I don't know how you could have seen exactly 0 footage of Howe and think he's better talent-wise than 5, 19 or 91. Stop flaming me. I'm not looking to start a war with anyone.

He was playing at least 18 minutes a game and his even strength numbers weren't spectacular. Never had a year even come close to being as good as that one. +/- is useless without accounting for team relativity. When I mean net negative, I mean replace him with average 3rd liner and the team improves. 2013 Tomas Tatar > McCarty in any year. tbh

Toronto's the best positioned Canadian team right now and they have my mancrush, lord Babcock. You might be right

beats me, Bond. After all the hype from trading Datsyuk's contract, I want off this ride.

Marchenko won't play on opening night imo He's playing on opening night. There's no way Mantha/Pulk would be on the major league roster until November. It's Ken Holland running things after all