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Just look at them. I'm not sure whether to fight him or pluck those little chips off his chest and make chocolate chip cookies with them. Pathetic.

Interracial marriage is a sin I reckon I can take tiny nips here

Underrated player

Go Caps amirite?

I watch this a few times a week

I don't even believe in the government

Filppula's back

When I was fresh out of college I asked an OHL GM how one would go about becoming a scout if one wanted to do the job with no prior pro experience. He basically said show up to the rink everyday. Talk to everyone. Pester the GM and other scouts with amateur reports. Maybe if you bother them enough they relent and you get hired part time. If you do get "hired" be prepared to work for free for a while. Bust your ass for a few years and hopefully you land a fulltime gig. Sounded like s*** TBH. I guess I shouldn't be surprised it doesn't pay well. Also this GM had a 16 year old on his scout staff. Not joking.

Hyphenated names are *****

You think? I guess I didn't realize how little scouts make. Like 40-70K I'm seeing.

Just begs the question... why doesn't Pronman have a job with an NHL team then? Teams aren't above hiring outside the norm. San Jose has a baseball scout working for them. I believe Minnesota hired the founders of War On Ice. Anyway I believe Pronman wrote about month ago that (after watching more tape and talking to more scouts) he's reassessed Seider and would now rank him much higher. He even said Seider is now the prospect he's most excited to watch this year. I posted this in another thread somewhere.

Ben Stiller

End of 2nd? Heading home in 30

Ok, I don't disagree with your point. I don't know if Yzerman had Seider at #3, #4, or #5 on his draft list, but I know he at least had him at #6. I don't really have a point beyond that fact. I could see Holland taking Seider just behind our pick, because Holland needed Dmen in Edmonton and likely had similar knowledge on Seider, or at least was likely aware of Yzerman's high opinion of the kid. After that though yeah I can see him slipping down the draft board. To be fair to Yzerman Pronman ranked Connolly at #5 in 2010. Yzerman took Connolly at #6. I'm not saying Yzerman is infallible, or that Pronman is a dimwit. I'm just saying I trust Yzerman's (and most GM's) opinion over Pronman's. I pick on Pronman because in the last 2 or 3 years he's become the unofficial prospect/draft guru. Easy to put a target on that.

Christ his dad was only 48

I promise my lack of faith in hockey media is anything but tribal. I will simply always defer to a Yzerman or Holland over a Pronman or a Button. Pronman is usually very accurate in his predictions, but he typically has at least one prospect he ways off on like a Seider or Hayton. And I felt he was wrong about Seider before we even drafted him, so I'm not just arguing the point after the fact.

I'm not following your logic here. Sure Yzerman may have had both Dach and Turcotte ahead of Seider. If Zegras or Cozens goes top 5 though that still puts Seider at at least #6 on his list by virtue of the fact that Yzerman selected Seider over Zegras and Cozens.

Pretty sure most of Pronman's knowledge comes from directly talking to scouts (correct me if I'm wrong). In the case of Seider, the Wings may have played it super close to the vest (wouldn't surprise me) and so maybe Pronman just didn't know the Wings intentions of taking this kid super high? In that sense maybe Yzerman really was the only one super high on Seider? Although I suspect Holland would've likely been high on him too. Seider was one of the very few prospects I watched prior to the draft and I really liked him. I think I said at the time this kid should be ranked 10-15 not 20-30. So that made me feel like Pronman is dumb. And that opinion only got validated when Yzerman took him even higher than #10. Last game Seider got burned coming up the middle of the neutral zone on a 3 on 2. A leafyboi picked off his pass and scored on the ensuing rush. I don't recall any bad pinches that led to goals against in games 1 and 2.

I caught a lot of s*** for pooping on Zadina last year My opinion of Seider is riddled with confirmation and observation bias, so I don't blame anyone who wants to "wait and see". When he makes the team out of camp my toldyasos will be locked and loaded though ;) I hate the term reach, because it was only a reach according to the media. And I value the opinions of the media far less than I do actual managers and scouts. Yzerman clearly had Seider in his top6 of best available players, maybe even higher than 6. I respect that he wanted to trade down to game the system a bit, but in the end he got in his mind the BPA at #6... even if he could have maybe possibly also gotten him at #10 or #15 or something.

Stuck at work for another 2 hours. Someone update scores as needed plz thanx bye

Genius Corey Pronman ranking Mo Seider #29 circa 2019

I forgot to mention he pinches correctly too. Dmen who pinch when appropriate is my secret fetish. In all fairness, I spent the first two games pretty zeroed in on Seider. So I'm biased fersure. I didn't really pay much attention to Veleno's defensive game. Let me quote the old cliche "you're not supposed to notice Dmen". In Seider's case he's doing all the little things excellently. If I was watching very casually I might not even notice. He's going to be a steady boring workhorse who eats big minutes.

The turning on Zadina has begun! lol Seider and Zadina are two very different circumstances for me. With Seider I watched him prior to the draft and was super interested in him, but never believed Yzerman would reach for him at #6. With Zadina I did not watch him much at all prior to the draft, but was thrilled to take someone who slipped to us at #6. I think it took me until October of last year to decide I did not like Zadina. Or at least that I did not think he displayed the level of talent that I believe a #6 pick should have. I'll certainly reassess Seider after a month of play in the AHL as well, but one things for certain, I have hard and fast opinions on players, and Seider is already pretty deep into my good graces.

With observation bias in mind... IMO Seider looked way ahead of the rest of the players out there these last 3 games. Sure Pearson has a bunch of goals, and Veleno has a bunch of goals. But at no point did I watch these games and think "Wow Veleno looks way too good to be out there". I did think this with Seider. I'm certainly glad a bunch of younger players have scored a lot, but I wasn't truly wowed by anything they did. But on the other hand Seider looks like a true specimen. He's always in the right spot. His passing is crisp and accurate. He makes the simple play. He's calm and steady running the point. His skating is excellent for a big Dman. He's telling guys where to go off the faceoff. He's jawing at his guys between whistles. He's wrecking shop in the corners. He's the wet dream I've been waiting for on the backend. Negatives: He's taken some penalties that were unneeded, and he did commit a turnover last game that resulted in a goal for Toronto. More generally, I definitely don't see him as a creative player. He's gonna play textbook hockey, but he's going to do it extremely well. He plays like he's a 30 year old vet IMO. I think he could play productive NHL hockey this year, but I will be content with 9 games...