ChristopherReevesLegs

We've done this already, but why not again "People say" isn't a sound argument. People are wrong all the time. This team was wrong about every first round choice from 2005 through 2010. Every "expert" was wrong about Moritz Seider this year. Art Regner is just a mouth piece for the team. He simply regurgitates everything he's told. And honestly there is nothing new in this article. He simply copy pasted/reworded the exact same description of Zadina from draft day and every draft profile; "Complete game". Unlike Regner, I will lay out exactly why I don't believe Zadina plays a complete game, as I've done in our discussions a number of times before. Pros: Compete level, back checks hard, good stick work, ability to cleanly steal a puck like Datsyuk is noticeable Cons: Lost in his own zone, over-commits to attackers sometimes, positioning leaves holes open, lacking ability to read the play I've never used +/- as the premise of my argument. I've used it as evidence of my conclusion. Now, you can say "CRL, you're people too, you can be wrong in what you say too" which would be true. I also get things wrong all the time and will continue to. However, I just gave you a real breakdown of Zadina and the reasons behind why I think what I do. Regner just gave a drive-by side comment "complete game".... I almost expect to read "I think he shoots good too" I certainly wouldn't point to this article as sudden proof of Zadina's supposed abilities. So my suggestion would be, either dispute my premises (pros/cons) or present new ones. Instead if you'd like to counter with "He's new to the system, he's young, he will learn" I won't disagree either. I firmly believe players can grow and learn. But I also sit firmly in the camp of "I'll believe it when I see it" with prospects. You've known me a good while. I don't normally get critical of prospects this early. With Smith, Mrazek, Jurco, etc etc I wasn't very critical till much later in their careers. But I also have never seen such a glaring, IMO, misread of a prospect till Zadina. If back in the day Pronman or Regner or whoever wrote "Mrazek really likes to stay in his net, plays a safe game like Luongo" I would've been calling that out as well, but it didn't happen. I'm really hoping Zadina is going to have a much improved growth year this year, but for the time being I can only have a truly honest discussion on what I've seen. And that is, I don't see his D abilities lining up with what "people say" they are.

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Lol I copy and pasted this comment into the LGW thread on HF boards. Mods scrubbed it. Betas confirmed

I'm more of pink whitney guy Ever since Biz started being the "read the ads" guy I've found him less appealing

\ Barstool sports and The Athletic Everyone else is dead to me

Between this site and HF boards there's only like 15 actual people posting. I alone am running like 10-20 sock accounts at any given time.

An...an...an... and he porked my sister If Regner said it it must be true. Complete AF

I go by my nickname over there "ChrisReevesLegs" Sorry for any confusion

I don't disagree. I just think Risto holds more value than Mantha straight up. See my OP. I don't at all suspect this trade is happening.

Don't get me wrong, Green was far and away our best Dman until Hronek emerged this year. But Greener is probably not a top pairing Dman on most other teams. I think the Ristolainen thing makes sense if Green is still not healthy. I think it also makes sense if he is healthy though, because Greener is probably getting shipped out in February. He's literally our only TDL trade piece.

Greener is probably gonna get his butt traded by Yzerman at the deadline. Regardless, I think Green is overrated. For a guy deployed as the #1 RW Dman, he has never hit 40 pts with us and is also completely average to below average in his own zone. He's also turning 34 soon and injuries are beginning to take a toll on his games played. Bowey is a bottom pairing. He's completely replaceable at the current moment and can ride pine for all I care. Who would take Mantha's spot? Probably one of Rasmussen, Zadina, Svech, Veleno, Erne, Hirose, Kuffner

What? Risto has a VERY nice contract. $5.4 AAV for 3 more years. Trouba, who's about the same age, and who collects very similar points and minutes, just signed for $8 AAV for the next 7 years. Remember Dahlin? He's their best Dman, and they will have to hand him a huge raise in 2 years... and they have Risto for the next 3 years. (incoming log jam) Pretty sure Buffalo would like to build their future D around Dahlin, and they have acquired a number of Dman to surround him (Scandella, Montour, Miller, Jokiharju, Pilut) Simply put, Risto was their old Dahlin... but Dahlin is better... and now Risto finds himself as the odd man out. I suspect they wanna trade him while he still has nice term. They will get more in return now, rather than later. Buffalo fans in general seem like they're ok with parting ways with him... they just don't want to give him away. Our roster is riddled with holes. Our D is garbage outside of Hronek, Howard is aging out, and at forward we really only have Larkin, Tuzzi, Mantha, AA.

While LGW was down I read some Buffalo fans discussing this rumor elsewhere. Red Wing fans seem to be in the camp of "Mantha is about to have a break out year, don't trade him", but (to my shock) Sabres fans didn't agree, and they were discussing what pieces Detroit would have to send with Mantha to get Risto. As players they have a lot of similarities. Same age, same size, both offensive minded, both have some compete issues in the past. The difference seems to be position, handedness, contract. Position... edge Risto (dmen more valuable than wingers) Handedness... edge Risto (RH more valuable than LH) Contract... edge Risto (Mantha needs to be re-signed, Risto has a nice cap hit for the next 3 seasons) Points wise I also give the edge to Risto at the moment. He's averaged as the 23rd best Dman in the league points wise over the last 4 seasons. Mantha would need to be a 70+ point player over the last fours years to compare to that. This year Mantha was on pace for 59 pts. Regardless of all that. I do think we have an immediate need for a RH Dmen. We have Hronek, Green, and Bowey. Hronek is cash money. Green probably isn't going to survive this rebuild, he's 34 and our biggest trade asset heading to this years TDL. Bowey is maybe a decent bottom pairing guy, and I wouldn't want him in the top4. After that it's just prospects, and I'm not willing to call any prospect a sure thing (not even Seider) until they at the very least make the team. And regardless of all that, I think Risto would instantly become our #1 Dman with Hronek on his heels.

#canceled

I'm canceling you until further notice. thank you next

Lol I think twitter removed it. It was in my OP I swear it. He basically just motions to a girl to lift her shirt

Dreger is a mouth piece for agents. That fact explains 90% of his tweets.

https://prospectpipeline.ca/2018/09/07/2019-nhl-draft-jack-hughes-patrick-kane/ Oh no https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jack-hughes-latest-young-star-turn-patrick-kane-mentorship/ The warning signs were all there This kid is gonna rape a cabbie before age 22. Mark it.

Ahhhhh there's that Holland washed up vet signing. Wonder if it will be $5 mil AAV or $4...

Twist: What if the girls did in fact show him their boobs?

So Dorion wasn't mad his big trade piece ended up in his own division, strengthening a rival. He was mad because Karlsson is a child and can't stand to be on the same ice as Hoffman a few more times a year? Gotcha Oh yeah? What changed? Giving up a pick with an 80% chance of becoming an NHLer and likely top6er = not a huge move Getting a pick with an 30% chance over a pick with an 18% chance, both likely bottom6ers = crucial move Gotcha Exactly. And neither do the Leafs. In fact they may have no one they want to target in the 3rd next year and could even want to trade back in that round. The crux of your argument was they may want to target someone in the third. Well they also may not. You don't know It's interesting that you're going out of your way to try and devalue a late first, but are hot to trot that moving from 6 to the 3rd is a crucial move. Why do teams even bother going after late firsts every year at the TDL I wonder? Depends on the current situation? I laid out the situation pretty clearly and specifically. No need to try and dance around it. Would you do it? "doesn't mean something" That's a new one. You're welcome to bow out of the conversation at any point. I'm fairly satisfied with the display going on lol.

Corey Pronman said this via Q&A on the Athletic today: Translation: "Hello hockey fan. It is I, famed prospect guru COREY PRONMAN. Here to remind you that I know the most about prospects and am the industry standard. Look! I finally watched video of Mo Seider and Barrett Hayton and talked to unnamed sources, and now my ranking of them are more in line with reality. Why did I not watch video of them and talk to sources about them prior to the draft as is my job? Haha, no more questions hockey fan. Do take my rankings very seriously again next year!"