ChristopherReevesLegs

Thank you Gorton, right to the point

Listen up Moms. The standard is set. High bar this year.

Fukin Pulkkinen almost tied with Ovi for U18 scoring lmao

Wow, Hughes goes first

Shero right now "Ok boys Hughes or Kakko??"

A R O U S E D

Is this the MILF hunter thread?

I think Trouba's comment about his GF is being way over analyzed. I took it as a totally off hand comment, like "oh hey, maybe my girl will like that". Lets see if he extends

I don't disagree with your premise that it's a weak draft year for Dmen. But there's a part of me that thinks it's just a heavy year for high end forwards, and that's why a guy - similar in stats in his draft year and somewhat similar in play and draft position to Boqvist - is probably gonna get pushed to mid 1st round when he might normally have gone 8 or 9 like Boqvist. Of course that assumes I believe Boqvist was taken at relatively the correct position. And I'm also not convinced Cozens and Zegras and company are all true heavy hitters. So like I said I don't disagree with this premise. I'll reserve judgement on Boqvist for now. He definitely had a good season in the OHL stat wise but I'm not sure I watched any of the London Knights this year. Really don't know how he looked. I'm not saying you need scouting or pro level play experience to discuss hockey. I've been discussing all evening with you despite my inexperience in both categories. I'm saying I think it's dumb to get bent out of shape about a reach in a draft because you developed some amateur expectation for him and the players you perceive to be before him, because you read posts from guys like me and Craig Bottun mock drafts. For full disclosure, I'm 100% trusting of the scouting staff. Not 99, 100. If the Red Wings selected some player I have never even heard of with the 6th pick, I would be more intrigued and excited than 'not ok with it'. My first thought if they took Tobias Bjornfot with the the 6th, would be "what did I not see in Bjornfot that they did". Am I being naive in this? I'm asking honestly. I still enjoy discussing these player even though I place very minimal stock in our media and fan rankings. Helps you to learn what type of player you're drafting. And I'll use this to transition back to Broberg: I'm not so concerned with where u have Broberg going in the draft. I hope I've been clear about that. I dont' expect him to be taken by us. But I do expect him to be a Dman who will be offensively minded. That's where we but heads about "offensive potential" I think. Bare with me, I'm not sure I understand so clarify if I'm wrong. My original point was (or at least what I meant by it was), after Kakko and Hughes no one knows where anyone is going. Some think it's Podkolzin, but some also think Podkolzin is dropping to like 20, etc etc. I think that you are suggesting that their is a tier of players in the 6 to 12 range, and that those players will be mixed in that range, but largely won't fall outside of it. Is that correct? Ah here's the spicy I'll use the math you love. Again, assuming there's 186 top 6 Dmen in the league, 38 pts means Klefbom is in the top 17% in point producers among Dmen. Thats's really good. I would also definitely consider Niskanen an offensively gifted Dman, I pretty much always have. He''s a journeyman? Why cause he changes teams some Again, I don''t think you have a realistic impression of what Dmen score. Klefbom is easily among the top 50 in the league in terms of Dman point getters. Alongside your assessment that he's a "shut down Dman" he should be one of the best Dmen in the league. You're making my point. McIsaac probably shouldn't have gone in the top 10... but he probably should've gone in the top 15 or top 20. Instead he went high 2nd. Demonstrating why, despite stats, a player can be better than what the numbers say in his draft year. Scouting matters.

Yessir

Wish more people would say it

If you'd like me to expand on my comment, I will, no problem. I agree with you that empirical data is a good basis. A backbone we can rely on when there is a bunch of subjective BS being thrown around. It should be and usually is our backbone when discussing NHL players. However I'd make the same distinction I've been making with Broberg and Brendan Smith. I think it's very hard to look at the stats of a 17/18 year old in some far removed league and say "based on this I know what he will be". With these young players I don't think stats are anywhere near as quality a picture as with someone playing in the NHL. So when you say this is a player of limited offensive potential, I disagree. Nearly every outlet is reporting offense is where he will most likely flourish, it's a strength of his. I do agree he makes panicky passes after carrying into the zone, but I also have seen how soft of hands he has and I'm not overly concerned with his raw offensive ability. So looking only at a stat sheet and saying "this 17 year old in Sweden has limited offensive upside bc this" I yes think is short sighted. Nerd. Now are you going to address my last main post or not? If not, just bow to your highness already

It was 1 page ago. You posted on the same page as it 30 minutes ago... Look if you're gonna keep playing avoid and not respond to my last main body of text in our discussion, lets just call it. I enjoy discussing with you because you're smart and good at arguing, but the dance around feels like a waste of time. Cheers.

You read my post where I mentioned Darren Helm. Why misconstrue it? You're smarter than that.

lol your sense of humor increases the more you try to ignore the sinking ship of an argument you built yourself

C+ joke dad lol your sense of humor increases the more you try to ignore the sinking ship of an argument you built yourself

I accept your cop out Carry on

While I agree, I question your decision to join a sports discussion board if this is your fall back argument. What's there to discuss?

I've never stated we should or will be taking him over Zegras/Cozens. In fact I've said I don't expect us to take him and personally wouldn't prefer taking him. Catch up Bups

If you've been reading this thread, you know I like Seider. He probably won't be going to us at 6 or inside the top 10 even, but whoever takes him at like 12, 15, or 20, I think will be getting the 2nd best Dman in the draft. He's a dark horse prospect IMO. The knock on him is he is German and the DEL isn't the best league and doesn't produce many NHLers. So I think there's some pull back and hesitation on him there. If he was Swedish I personally think he would be in the discussion of the Top 10. Other than that he doesn't really have any weaknesses other than being boring to watch at times (Dmen should be IMO unless they're a Karlsson type player) I think he's the most NHL ready player other than Dylan Cozens. But will probably go back to Adler Mannheim next year to play on their top pairing. This year he started as top 6 and finished as top 4, and was sheltered offensively by his coach, but German fans rave about his poise with the puck, vision, and hard shot from the point. He just hasn't been able to truly unleash any of that yet at the pro level. Not suggesting he will be a 50 pt Dman like Trouba, I think smart defense is more his wheel house, but a consistent 30 or even 40 pt Dman he could be. I think at worst he's Danny Dekeyser. I think at best he's Ryan McDonagh.

Christ, why would you write your responses inside a quote box? If your purposely making me copy and past everything one by one to be cruel, congrats you have succeeded. Yeah but that's not the point. You're comparing Boqvist to a guy who barely slipped out of the 1st round and probably could go top 15 next to Noah Dobson in a redraft, and then saying "look, Boqvist isn't any better than a 2nd rounder". That's like me saying Adam Foote should never have been drafted in the 2nd round because Lidstrom was drafted in the 3rd. We can discuss how asinine it is to "very much not be ok with" selecting a player at 6th overall because you - a person with zero professional training in the industry and no experience scouting this player or any player for that matter - once googled a stat sheet. I'd love to have that discussion with a lot of sports fans. .Ok please enlighten me how picks 4-12 will play out. I'm excited to see who we're taking. I thought you didn't trust those scouting reports?? 38 pts would have put Klefbom in the top 35 of all Dmen in the league in terms of points this year. Being a 30-40 pt Dman - which is Klefbom's scoring rate - basically means your a top 50 Dman in the league in terms of points. How much do you think Dmen usually score? Klefbom also led Edmonton's Dmen in PP points and PP time. Plays 1st unit PP and 2nd unit PK. What is he again? Shut down Dman? Lol did you just read my post comparing him to Helm a few posts back where I talked about his IQ and not knowing what to do with the puck? Thanks for parroting it back to me. Ah now we acknowledge he has the raw tools and potential... and even a high floor! Right on Nerd

Dude Radko wrecks shop

$20 mil in cap space? Needs Dmen? Superstar Dman hitting the open market? Gibs me one Karlsson plz

Well duh. Although if you're referencing Bertuzzi and McIsaac directly here, I'd say both of those players would go higher than the 2nd round in a redraft. I'd be fine with it because I trust the judgement of professionals over my own. The top 10 outside of Hughes and Kakko is pretty wide open. I'd go as far as to say the Top 15 and Top 20 is pretty wide open as well. It wouldn't shock me at all to see lower stat guys like Broberg and Podkolzin both go in the top 10. It also wouldn't shock me to see them fall to the 2nd round. I think the only philosophical difference here is where this originally started. You compared Broberg to Klefbom and referenced him as "shutdown Dman" and "limited offensive upside". That's where I truly disagree with you and thought you're assessment of Broberg was bizarre. Firstly, I don't view Klefbom as a shutdown Dman at all. Secondly, Broberg by all descriptions is lacking in the defensive department, not the offensive ones. If he's truly limited on both sides of the puck he wouldn't be anywhere near the first 3 rounds. I don't disagree with your assessment of his stats really, I just don't lean that heavily on that single line of thought.

By the time Larkin is the age that Yzerman won his first cup, Trouba will be in his mid 30s. Guys too old. We don't need more vets.